I would never fold AA in a 24 pot especially if he's the type who will double barrel 55 in a 6 pot.

Calling pre and calling flop are the best plays. We stack/are stacked vs his value hands anyway. Give him some rope to spew off. As others have said, we don't need to give him a chance to fold pre by 5-betting, especially as the guy seems pretty aggro postflop anyway. The stacks aren't deep enough that we need to 5-bet to get the stacks in.

We're OTB, if he checks to us OTT we can just value bet.

Hand is played perfectly IMO and you should call.

shoving pre better imo, if the player is even remotely decent at hand reading flatting looks like QQ+ shoving adds AKs and AK to what is already a very narrow range

I like the flatting of the 4 bet pre. Good for you to understand to protect your range there against the villain as described.

Grunching- five bet pre if you ever would five bet bluff, also his range UTG should be strong( though I think I give ppl way to much credit on this) and he might think you are shoving with JJ or AK not wanting to play post flop. As played I cry call the turn and hope for AK

5 bet pre for value vs this player's $140 4 bet.

You stacked him b/c you hit a gin flop. He gets it in pre more often than an A or K flops.

He calls with the rest of his 4 bet range imo.

Even if he folds the bottom part of that range, flatting can't be too much more +ev than taking the pot pre.

Trucdouf has too be trolling....right?... The old adage that aces lose a small pot or lose a big one might be true super deep but anyone with a decent sample size/actual spreadsheet will realize that Aces win more money than any other hand.

Not trolling.

130BB is deep...

I interpret the adage moreso as how people play them, not just a default fact. Imo its easier to make errors with aces.

No it's not live

with this player's history I don't know why we would 5bet preflop against his range.

5bet jamming would be telling him we have aces or kings and it would let him off easy by folding to our 5bet (especially if he was 4bet/folding anyway).

I'm flatting pre otb with the intention of getting the rest in otf.

No, 130 BB stacks is not remotely deep.

if you buy in for $500 (100bb's) in a 2/5 game and win $150 on the first hand after rake and tip, are you now deep stacked?

if you answered no, than 130bb's is not considered deep.

Against someone with this history a 5bet is going to look weaker than flatting the 4bet. Who 3bets and flats an utg 4bet with anything worse than QQ/AK?

Furthermore, he seems like a competent player and he's going to realize he appears bluffy and open up his value range, even if it's incorrect. I've seen this type of play plenty of times from something like 99 and then they convince themselves that since they're playing crazy they have to stack 99 to "balance". Even if this doesn't happen super often, the amount of times he has AK/QQ and you stack him pre when he wouldn't have stacked him post definitely make up for the times he tries to bluff you postflop after flatting his 4bet.

While watching Playbig2000's avatar, I was mesmerized by the monkey pulling that dogs tail then coming back for a second time. I seriously just watched that for two minutes straight.

Looks like the dudes on the Aria SHR cash game are reading strat in LLSNL.

I never understand posts like this. We're going to call a 4-bet and then go all-in on the flop and you think that people will stack off very light to that highly deceptive line?

Personally I don't call 4-bets with such a weak range that my Villains happily stack off way behind on flops.

In any case there's a lot of math (read Janda's book) regarding the correct play. What's the OR opening range? Knowing that we can decide how much of it he has to defend against a 3-bet and a 5-bet.

Depends on what you mean by "very light," but if we're up against a spewer and can define "very light" as stuff like TPTK on K75hhs, TT on 852r, or even weak draws like AQ on JT3 with a bdfd, the answer to this question in my experience is generally, "Yes."

But to be clear: In this instance (in position, calling to set up an SPR of 2), I think flatting the 4b is best. I don't hate a small 5b. I just think a shove is really bad.

You think he stacks aq on jtx when his 4b gets flatted but is 4b/folding both tt and aq preflop?

Against a preflop shove, yeah, I think that is plausible. Esp with regard to 4b/f AQ.

I think a spewer is pretty likely to b/c OOP in SPR=2 spots when he thinks he has 25% equity (and very often he'll convince himself that his equity is much better than it could reasonably be in these situations).

I also think that even a spewer will hear alarm bells go off in his head when his UTG r/4b gets 5b, esp if it is the case (and for 2p2 OPs, this is pretty standard) that he perceives his opponent to be "the tight guy at the table."

Mind you, I'm not saying that flatting a 4b with AA is always the best option. I've 5b AA when the conditions merited it (stacks deeper than 200bb, OOP, etc). But in this particular situation, a 5b shove with AA is unnecessary to the point of being counterproductive.