4-handed TT facing cold 4bet and call preflop 2/5 - Page 2 - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

Lol, I knew that would come off as contradictory. I'm saying that by 3-betting it pre, I'm not looking to hit my set and shut down if I don't. If we setmine, it means that we should still fold on a 852r flop, with the assumption that we were behind pre, since the whole concept of setmining is to hit a set or fold otf. But after the cold 4bet and call, most of both their ranges are either flipping with me or crushing me. Because of this, my position, and because we're not deep enough to setmine, I think we should fold.

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Originally Posted by jsissy

How much do you think you need to make in order for this setmine to be profitable?

I generally go with 20x the bet when hu, but obviously that decreases with more people in the pot.

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07-10-2014 , 05:07 PM

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BuffaloHound

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Grunch,
My god OP this thread is hard to understand. I'm amazed you have as many responses as you do. But I suppose that's a testament to how starved this forum has recently been for a good hand to analyze. Look at the stickies to see an example hand that will show you the proper concise way to make a thread. This will improve the quantity and quality of responses you receive on future threads. GL

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07-10-2014 , 05:17 PM

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BuffaloHound

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It looks like you can marginally set mine PF at 10x, which may be ok since I believe you're playing 4 handed and stack off ranges should be a little wider than a normal full ring game. Flatting and folding seem like your only options here with folding slightly better. I had trouble deciphering your "reads" portion of the thread, but it seems like players are stacking off light.

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07-10-2014 , 05:21 PM

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BigSlick2006

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You have a couple options...fold is the safe play or you can try to set mine. $90x10 = $900 so it's close but especially if somebody else just flats there is nearly $400 in the pot. Plus you are closing the action so it could be profitable when you hit. Bet like $300 and gii by the turn if not earlier.

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07-10-2014 , 05:32 PM

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jsissy

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Originally Posted by CRAIerrday

I generally go with 20x the bet when hu, but obviously that decreases with more people in the pot.

What is the reason for setting the IO @ 20x?

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07-10-2014 , 05:43 PM

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CRAIerrday

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Originally Posted by jsissy

What is the reason for setting the IO @ 20x?

Because that's what we need to make in order for the hand to be profitable compared to the times we call and miss.

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07-10-2014 , 05:44 PM

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CallMeVernon

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But the stronger you believe your opponents' ranges are, the less odds you need to set mine. Here you're getting almost 12:1 stack odds, which admittedly isn't great, but if you think AA or KK is out there at least once (and you have 2 opponents who could have it), you are getting the right odds.

I understand why you folded and it seems like it probably is the best play, but I think set mining and folding are closer than you think. And saying "I have to fold because I'm not getting good enough odds to set mine" (which I can get behind) is not the same thing as saying "I can't set mine because my hand is too strong", which is what you were saying before.

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07-10-2014 , 05:47 PM

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jsissy

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Originally Posted by CRAIerrday

Because that's what we need to make in order for the hand to be profitable compared to the times we call and miss.

I'd set mine for 15x. imo.

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07-10-2014 , 05:53 PM

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berry1

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Originally Posted by jsissy

I still like calling preflop. If you 5b, only better will call and worse will fold. With you in the hand, the pot will be $390. With 3 people in the hand in a big pot, I feel like the propensity to bluff goes down. Although I can see if you check the flop, and V1 bets with V2 calling, then obv you'd have to fold TT. But if V1 bets after you check and V2 folds, then I'd call. I see the hand getting checked down all the way to the river and you can win with showdown value.

Yea but our fold equity is so large. so we can easily 5b profitably.

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07-10-2014 , 07:22 PM

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CRAIerrday

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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon

I understand why you folded and it seems like it probably is the best play, but I think set mining and folding are closer than you think. And saying "I have to fold because I'm not getting good enough odds to set mine" (which I can get behind) is not the same thing as saying "I can't set mine because my hand is too strong", which is what you were saying before.

Ok I get what you're saying. I was trying to say that if I call, I'm calling because I think I have the best hand, since (IMO) we would not be getting the right odds. In this case the situation isn't great and I didn't feel I had the best hand, so I folded.

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