1800 eff

2-3-5-T
limp
hero KK btn 45
sb call
straddle 135
hero 325
sb fold
straddle call

$700
Q87r
straddle donk shoves $1500

I would go bigger pre-flop first of all.

Without reads I don't see how you can fold. The combination of the straddle 3bet, the flat of the 4bet, and the moronic flop shove scream whale to me.

my image:
very lag, and he is out to get me, due to a silly dispute we had earlier

reads:
Young bad loose passive mid 20s kid
he hasnt 3! once all game
this is the first massive bet hes made all game
when he 3! me and i contemplated my action - he said "i got a real hand im not making a move"
after i 4! he was like.... "oh all right" like somewhat reluctantly and calls
after he jams i ask him what he has, he said he has what hes reppin.
after he jams i tell him i have an overpair and he gives me a quick thumbs up as if "good 4 u bro"

Not entirely sure if this entire post is a troll but w.e. Firstly if he hasn't 3bet you once this session and you describe him as "loose PASSIVE" I'm inclined to flat the 3bet and play poker in position. In regards to sizing I wouldn't go larger, Live players tend to 4bet way to big when it's genuinely not necessary. Both the flop action and the table talk make 0 sense to me... He likely has either QQ's or abirball/draw. I don't think he plays AA/KK this due to both preflop & flop actions. This ultimately comes down to a live read/bankroll spot and only you can answer that one.


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i mean i've seen people open shove with sets here bc they're morons that think you have aa/kk and are too stupid to realize they're stacking you anyway if you have those hands, but I'm calling here and then dancing on the table.

I can't fold here.

snap call. Given the line villain took I assume he is a bad player. Never ever folding KK the way the hand played out. If he has QQ give the guy a medal

fold
he's not shoving JJ here imo

Normally with SPR of roughly 2 I would never fold. However, when a loose/passive calls your 4 bet preflop and shoves this flop I'm not happy to blindly shove after. I would say this is entirely about reads. Still a very hard fold but possible if you think his shoving range is nothing but QQ+, if you think he has some tilt in his range you probably have to call. Particularly leading on such a dry flop against a LAG, I would expect villain to be more inclined to trap and at least let you c-bet the flop.

I would also say your preflop 4 bet is off. With position I would be more inclined to see a flop against a very loose/passive. 4 betting just lets his light hands off the hook and sets him to bust your big pairs. If you did want to 4-bet then go for $400-$500. There is no reason to give him reasonable odds to call your 4 bet, you want to be punishing big at that point.

why would i troll? also why do my posts always get moved to llsnl lol.
really dont need advice from 1-2 players otherwise i woulda posted in llsnl.

Maybe the moderators are trying to tell you something.

You need to call 1500 to win 2200 or 1:1.45. We need 41% equity to breakeven on a call. Do you think his range is always AA,QQ here? You dont think he has AQs? Random AK?

Somehow I think he had AQ.