The villain in this hand is a non reg Asian female about 30 who calls a bit too much pre but more careful post flop.

I'm sure her image of me is solid and tight.

2/4 effective stacks 400 third orbit.

The table is made up of many pre flop stations who call with almost atc but will usually for to a squeeze 3 bet.

I open for 15 in MP w K2 hearts,
3 callers
Villain in the SB 3bets to 60, folded around to me
I 4 bet to 110.
Villain tank, calls.

Flop 6c7c9h 2 clubs
Villain checks
I check
Turn 7s
Villain checks
Hero bets 75?

My thinking was that villain must bet any pair on the turn as the flop was checked and the repeat 7 was a good card for her pair.

So I bet the turn in an attempt get a fold from AK AQ AJ KQ and maybe smaller pairs that maybe she called incorrectly or set mine, but she probably doesn't 3 bet with 22-55 so I think I can probably discount those.

There is an old saying in live cash which says a 4 bet is AA or KK and a 5 bet is nearly always AA, unless the player is either bad or tilting bad.

Thoughts?

This hand is spew from start to finish. Not sure what else to say.

At these levels, barring previous evidence, I assume three bets from the blinds are premium hands and don't bother messing around.

Also, if table is that loose, k2s is a terrible open anywhere but the button.

Often OSU, the 3 bets from the blinds are squeezes, light to take down all the dead money. Players love to see flops. To an UTG raise of 3x or 4x if UTG+1 calls or MP 1, it starts the value train and you'll often get 4-5+callers! playing speculative hands, and even worse hands closer to the button. A10, AJ, KQs KJ 10J , Q10, suited connectors, 2 gappers Ax,

The downside is if no one 3 bets I have a hand that's difficult to play OOP.

You are quite mistaken if you think a 3 bet from the blinds is anything other than a monster. Unless your games are playing way way different than any other LLSNL game I know of. A bigger problem is the initial raise however.

This should just be an open fold pre. Once V 3 bets from the blind your hand should snap be in the muck. After you 4bet and plan to bluff how do you not bet flop? This needs to be a cbet then give up if V calls. You can't 4ber bluff pre then check a 7 high flop. Once you check the flop I think the hand should be over.

Little does she know you're actually a spew-monkey LAG lol.

Seriously, so many threads start with Op proclaiming "My image is a 'solid TAG'. Yet nobody ever says "Villain is a solid TAG". Am I the only on to pick up on this?

Flames aside, Op, this is terribly ill-conceived, as spike said, from start to finish.

Pre: Generally, this is a fold, but if you're going to play it ("cuz its sooted, yo, and I can makes me a flush"), you're better off throwing out a 3-4x pot-builder raise and hoping it goes around so you can see the flop multi-way. This hand will miss WAY more than hit, so you need heavy implied odds to justify playing it.

Flop: When you checked, you might as well have just turned your hand face-up. Preflop 4bets for value are ALWAYS KK/AA, so if you DO have one of these hands that you repped, you should be smashing this flop 100% of the time.

Turn: This $75 bet is throwing money. What are you saying when you 4b pre to 110, check the flop, then lead for 1/3psb ott?

You don't say what her response was, but I'm guessing she shoved and you meekly folded.

I think you know this is pretty obviously spew from start to finish.

Spew. If you want to get crazy with K2s then it should be a 3 bet squeeze from position. With your 4 bet you're not repping much since you only opened to $15 in MP since not many players open ultra prems for 3x in MP. Fold pre, fold to the 3 bet, and if you are going to run a huge bluff with garbage hands then at least continue it. C/bet B/f the flop for 75% pot.

If she calls too much pre as you described then her 3b range should be pretty strong

pre: i'm folding this pre from MP in FR pretty much unless i havent played a hand in forever and i want to keep people thinking i'm not just playing TT+/AQ+

as is, you raised, get like 3-4 callers and then get 3!. honestly, you're hand plays best with multiple people because really you only have flushes that really win anything at showdown, unless you flop trip 2s. 4! is just turning this into a bluff, but atleast you block AK and KK.

flop: hey look, you got a fairly nice board if V 3! with a big A because they have no pair and you're repping a big pair. BET! you should want to take this pot down as quickly as possible. hope that they have at best JJ and fold thinking you have QQ+

turn: your line makes no sense. betting that little will accomplish little most of the time.

basically if you're gonna try to run a multi street bluff like this, you need to take a line you would with a legit hand. when are you ever betting 75 into 265 OTT?

all that notwithstanding, in LLSNL, people play their 3/4/5! hands pretty face up, so it wouldnt surprise me if you caught a break and V folded a big A, since they checked the flop and turn


i've been calling people out on this for a few months now when i read it. it's amazing the massively inflated sense of "awesome" play by posters and their Villains are always 'droolers', yet the poster always plays some ridiculous hand and is baffled when the drooler shows up with the goods... not saying that's exactly the case here, but i see it a lot.

5 star spew.

Related to this (excellent) point Duke makes, a player with a tight 3b range who also calls too much pre in general is a TERRIBLE player to make a 4bet bluff against. Especially when she 3bs from the blinds where her range should be even tighter.

I said that at the tables in general, the games are very lose pre and players like to see flops and many call for value.

I didn't say, but the villain was capable of picking spots to squeeze and doesn't have a super tight 3 bet range.

Someone else said that I'd be better of playing K2s from the blinds and 3 betting. So if I 3 bet my K2s from the blinds and get 4 bet by the initial raiser, what an I going to do? I'm going to fold everything but AA/KK AK generally, with some exceptions, depending on the villain.

I was really expecting a fold pre flop and the plan was to give up thereafter. I think she folds most of her 3 bet range.

The flat was strange and unexpected and I'm not sure why she'd flat.

I didn't bet the flop because I'd given up even though villain had checked to me.

Surely AA and KK gii pre.

Does JJ-KK bet this flop I would have thought so.

Could I check AA on this flop, most certainly.

On the turn, any big pair must bet but she checks.

So now the only hands I can put her on are AK AQ and pairs incorrectly played but these are unlikely from her I believe.

So I bet and she tank folds.

No, I'm not thinking I'm a genius but I did think that the 4 bet bluff pre wasn't bad.

As people have said before 4 bets from the open raiser are usually AA/KK.

I could check this flop w AA and make a small bet ott to induce.

If I hadn't got many positional callers pre then I may have been able to turn my hand into a bluff post flop. If everyone called and I hadn't of faced 3 bet although out of position, my hand does have some value putting 15 into a pot of 90+

Thanks for the reality checks however.


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Nice brag.
Still spew.

Certainly not a brag, but I posted to get some constructive feedback/criticism. I got that and acknowledge that the consensus is that the play was spewy.

From my perspective, against this villain and certain villains in particular, I think more often than not I get a fold pre flop. That was the intention.

4 betting this hand I believe is more credible than 3 betting it from the blinds myself, because reg players 3 betting or raising from the blinds in these games can be doing so pretty light.

As played, if villain had of called my small turn bet and we had check called the river I would have happily opened my hand and shown my air. As all of you have said, it's bad play but good meta game in front of a table of regs. As she folded on the turn I didn't have the heart to show.