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08-02-2014 , 11:56 AM
$1/2 nl game in NYC, 9 handed. $80 min $400 max

Hero played a few hands, pretty tight up to this point. Game is incredibly loose with a mix of working professionals and hoodrats.

V1 is an older guy who plays reasonably tight, and mostly plays big cards.

Hero $650 on button 3d5d,

8 limps to hero, who limps, sb completes, BB v1 raise to 20, V2, V3, V4 call, hero call.

POT $110 FLOP 2s-4s-6d

v1 check, v2 bet $35, v3 fold, v4 fold, hero raise to $85, v1 call, v2 fold.

Turn Kx

v1 check, HERO?
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08-02-2014 , 12:23 PM
Bet about 190ish, make him pay if he wants to chase a flush, if he calls be careful if the river pairs because he may have a set or 2 pair and has filled up
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08-02-2014 , 12:25 PM
I should also mention V1 is deep with about $900 or so
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08-02-2014 , 12:26 PM
What is villain stack size? If he has enough to and re raises the turn push
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08-02-2014 , 12:39 PM
Hero ended up betting $130 into the $315 pot. Is this not nearly enough? It was an awkward spot (I think) being that I had about $500 left, so if I bet pot on turn I am pretty committed if the third club falls, or board pairs.
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08-02-2014 , 12:41 PM
We have the nuts and the villain called a raise. Keep pouring the money in. $190 seems good to me, too.
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08-02-2014 , 01:02 PM
I'd bet somewhere in the low-mid $200 range OTT. $130 is wayyyyyy to low.
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08-02-2014 , 01:07 PM
Pots about $280. Let's bet about $150 - $180. Remember he opened to $20 pre flop and then check called the flop knowing V2 could also call. That takes out all two pairs. AsKs or AsQs is in his range. Let's hope he re ships with a flush draw and we can get stacks in. NH
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08-02-2014 , 01:08 PM
Flop raise is FAR to small. Do like they all do and just tack on 100 and say "make it 135", as I doubt he folds unless he has nothing. And if so, next hand.

Now that the turn is a King, it will be your judgment how much he would call with a flush draw. He sure reps a draw fairly well here so I will target that rather than milk a MidPP which I doubt he hardly has often at all.

My normal in that spot would be about 60% to 65% pot so around $170 to $180 and prolly settle for $175. Hopefully wont run a bare draw away (if I do not know his calling tendencies on turn.
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08-02-2014 , 01:11 PM
That seems about right.

Turn Hero bets $130, V1 tanks and then calls.

RIVER Ks, Board 2s-4s-6d-kx-ks.

V1 CHECKS. At this point I know that:

1-I butchered this hand in multiple spots
2-V1 almost certainly on a nut flush draw. I am repping a set or better do I have the balls to shove my remaining $400 into a $550 pot and hope he gives me credit for a boat? Or do I just check it down and admit I misplayed the hand?
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08-02-2014 , 02:10 PM
$140 on turn for half pot is good. We price out FDs while giving them the illusion of a good pot odds. Also realize that a FD is only a portion of his range, a lot of time he'll have two pairs or a pair+gut shot. So I like betting $125 more than $175 since those hands are drawing super thin and we want them in. You don't have to pay off flush either even if you bet $175 on turn.

As played check back river. Most two pairs got counterfeited. Trying to bluff someone off a flush is almost always spew
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08-02-2014 , 02:42 PM
I think checking it down would be the best play and hope he spazzed with TT or JJ although I might get caught up in the hand and ship it because I'm a spaz IRL.
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08-02-2014 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JOHNNYACT10N
That seems about right.

Turn Hero bets $130, V1 tanks and then calls.

RIVER Ks, Board 2s-4s-6d-kx-ks.

V1 CHECKS. At this point I know that:

1-I butchered this hand in multiple spots
2-V1 almost certainly on a nut flush draw. I am repping a set or better do I have the balls to shove my remaining $400 into a $550 pot and hope he gives me credit for a boat? Or do I just check it down and admit I misplayed the hand?
IMO our hand is too strong to be turning it into a bluff in this spot (i.e. if we bet, it should be for value), and I doubt V will fold flushes often enough for this to be profitable.

You didn't "butcher" the hand in multiple spots - you made more or less the right decisions til this point, except that your bet sizing could have been a little bigger. Personally I would bet/fold the river smallish - I don't know if we get paid off on a shove by AA/<QQ, and we're probably getting called by a flush. When we make this bet we can fold to a raise but get value from pairs (people call with weird stuff sometimes). The fact that the board paired makes it even more unlikely you get checkraised, since he would basically be repping quads.

That being said, I can understand a check.
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08-02-2014 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
$140 on turn for half pot is good. We price out FDs while giving them the illusion of a good pot odds. Also realize that a FD is only a portion of his range, a lot of time he'll have two pairs or a pair+gut shot. So I like betting $125 more than $175 since those hands are drawing super thin and we want them in. You don't have to pay off flush either even if you bet $175 on turn.

As played check back river. Most two pairs got counterfeited. Trying to bluff someone off a flush is almost always spew
What 2P does V have in his range? OP said he's a tight old guy who likes to play big cards, and he raised pre from the blinds.
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08-02-2014 , 11:18 PM
OTF I'm betting closer to $185 than $85. Jam all non flush turns as played. If you had bet more like $150 OTF, then jam all turns.
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08-02-2014 , 11:27 PM
8 people can't limp to you unless you're playing an 11 handed table.
And I doubt your game is cool enough for that. Few games are.

Flop bet is too WAY small. Before we even act there is $145 in there, and you're putting $85 more in, so that's $230. Only $50 more for V to call. We should be a lot more for value here. I'd say $125 or so. If we bet bigger on the flop like we should turn should be $215, not too much more than half pot and it sets us up well for an easy to call value river shove.

Turn should be $155 - $175 as played.
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08-02-2014 , 11:56 PM
I would not have raised the flop... but you did and got called

then I bomb the turn for max value.. but you bet 135 into 300 and got called

idk how you KNOW he has a flush ... but if you are that convinced going all in repping a boat is insane imo... so you should check
back
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08-03-2014 , 01:40 PM
I didn't bluff on the river, but contemplated it for a hot second. V1 checks, hero checks.

V1 shows AQ suited for the ace high flush.
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