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04-22-2019 , 06:40 PM
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A friend asked me about this hand that he played, so I am unsure of any reads etc. I do know that Hero is typically very active younger kid, not maniac but def viewed as "active" and known to bluff a decent amount of the time.

2/3 NL. Stacks are 350 effective.

Villain limps in the hijack.
Another limps in the cutoff.
Hero has AQ on the btn, raises to 25.
BB calls, and one limper calls.
Flop Q85r, checks around to Hero who bets 50.
BB calls.
Limper raises to 175.
Hero??

Originally this hand seemed pretty straightforward, but after thinking it over and assessing typical Villain ranges here, the decision is perhaps not as black-and-white as I thought. Thoughts?
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04-22-2019 , 06:47 PM
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What's the read on villain's range?

A raise on a dry board feels like a set. Some players at 2/3 would raise there with KQ. So you could go either way.
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04-22-2019 , 07:03 PM
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I would have sized down flop to like $30-35. Don't think you need to go this big on a dry flop with a 4.3x SPR. The only draw to worry about is 76 or gutters like JT/T9/97 and if they want to float those that's a pretty big win for you given they are 11:1 to hit being offered 2:1 with 8:1 implied behind.

You can then size up turns to 100/140 with one caller when the turn improves their hands with a variety of BDFD's and pair + gutter hands. That would leave for a 190/340 shove on river.
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04-22-2019 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sabloid
What's the read on villain's range?
My personal read on an unknowns PREFLOP limp range would be for sure things like 55, 76s, QJ, QT, Q9s.... and sometimes KQ, 88, 85s. After he raises the flop to 175 I slightly discount hands like QT/Q9 (and maybe even KQ/QJ), and perhaps 88/55 as some player lean toward a slowplay or a smaller raise on a 3-way rainbow flop.
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04-23-2019 , 05:28 PM
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I would have sized down flop to like $30-35. Don't think you need to go this big on a dry flop with a 4.3x SPR. The only draw to worry about is 76 or gutters like JT/T9/97 and if they want to float those that's a pretty big win for you given they are 11:1 to hit being offered 2:1 with 8:1 implied behind.

You can then size up turns to 100/140 with one caller when the turn improves their hands with a variety of BDFD's and pair + gutter hands. That would leave for a 190/340 shove on river.
Seems solid. But what about as-played, facing the flop raise? Do you really think anyone is going to raise-call (if we shove otf) with a worse Q?
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04-23-2019 , 05:42 PM
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Villain has put in over 1/2 of his stack. It comes down to a gut feel if the villain could do this with worse. You have to commit now to whether you're going to stack off or not. If not, fold to the raise. If so, call the raise and call the turn all in.
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04-24-2019 , 09:35 AM
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Villain has put in over 1/2 of his stack. It comes down to a gut feel if the villain could do this with worse. You have to commit now to whether you're going to stack off or not. If not, fold to the raise. If so, call the raise and call the turn all in.
I should be call/calling instead of just shoving? I was thinking shove because he most likely is not folding to a raise with the majority of his stack already in. If I instead flat and we see a turn card, I run the risk of an A or K scaring him into check/folding.
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04-24-2019 , 11:00 AM
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Villain has 85 suited.

He raised big because his hand needs protection. A set would never do this on this board.

If he's a younger "active" kid I expect him to open KQ and not limp it. 99% of the player pool is not raising KQ here anyway.

Fold
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04-24-2019 , 12:21 PM
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Sorry, but this requires reads. Against an unknown, average rec player, I probably fold, but it could be absolutely the wrong play.
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04-24-2019 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by onthefence
I should be call/calling instead of just shoving? I was thinking shove because he most likely is not folding to a raise with the majority of his stack already in. If I instead flat and we see a turn card, I run the risk of an A or K scaring him into check/folding.
If he's calling your shove, an Ace or King won't scare him. You want to keep his range as wide as possible at this point.
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