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Old 11-29-2015, 09:26 AM   #1
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3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

Local Casino $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 10 Players

V1: utg with $1000 - Tagish mid age asian
Hero: SB: $700
V2: bb $400 - mid 40 indian guy who plays slightly loose and had a couple of beers too much. Besides playing poker he likes to make jokes and interaction at the table.

Preflop:

V1 is utg opens to $20
Hero is SB with 66 calls
V2 is BB reraise to 60
V1 and hero flat

Flop: ($180) 46Qr
Hero SB checks
V2 BB checks
V1 UTG checks

Turn: (pot $180) 2

Hero bets 60
V2 raises to 160
V1 reraises to 400

Hero?
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Old 11-29-2015, 10:45 AM   #2
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Re: 3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

Donk the flop. The players at these stakes are making mistakes on their own, so there's little need for you to try to induce or be tricky. Play relatively str8 forward most times. The more often you bet, the more often you profit from their mistakes.

Your turn bet was so small that you can expect action from lesser hands 24/7. The question is whether these are TWO lesser hands. It actually seems pretty unlikely. WAWB crying fold. If they have AA and KK oh well.
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Old 11-29-2015, 10:53 AM   #3
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Re: 3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

jam, if he woke up with QQ that's too bad. it doesn't happen often enough to worry about it. you would be better off spending your time thinking about smaller spots you could have played better or other leaks in your game.

there are plenty of cards they could have that you're beating KQ and AA, AQ KK, KK AA, 44 AA, 44 KK, i could go on but i digress. that is not to mention all the possible combos draw that showed up with suited aces on the turn A2 A5 and just naked Ax nut draws.

66 is the second nuts here unless you think someone has 53.
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Old 11-29-2015, 10:59 AM   #4
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Re: 3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

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there are plenty of cards they could have ... 44 ... A2 [and] 66 is the second nuts here unless you think someone has [omg] 53.
All righty, then.

V1 is a taggish MAAG who just effectively moved in on a 246Qr board.

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Old 11-29-2015, 11:28 AM   #5
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Re: 3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

Not folding.

There is going to be a $600 side pot with V1. That means that V1 has to have exactly QQ for hero to lose. Hero has the second nuts (no one has 53). Hero started the hand with slightly less than 200bbs. I'm never folding in this spot. All-in.
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Old 11-29-2015, 12:46 PM   #6
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Re: 3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

Why can't V1 have 44 or 22? V2 can have AQ, KK, AA.

Of course either of them could have QQ, so it's not super exciting, but I don't see a fold.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:05 PM   #7
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Re: 3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

ALL IN..

I am never ever folding this hand. The pot is already 180 on the flop, and we only have $620 left with the second nuts.. LOVE IT!!
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:23 PM   #8
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I give maybe 1% change UTG TAG-ish asian has AA/KK here after checking behind the flop after two others have checked. He has QQ here almost always. He checked the flop because it is so dry that he has both of you drawing nearly dead, and from the looks of it he is going after V2 because he doesn't think you have much with your 1/3 pot bet. V2 in the BB could have a pretty wide range, but UTG's range is squarely QQ.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:27 PM   #9
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Re: 3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

Depending on how BB generally plays, i agree with Alec that the likelyhood of them having QQ is much higher.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:47 PM   #10
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All you can eat baby!

Not deep enough to think about folding.
Coolers are part of the game bruh.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:47 PM   #11
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Checking a dry flop after an initial 3 bet is a bit suspect. This would make sense only if V have QQ and wanted his opponents to catch up or 22 and decided to take a free card to the turn rather than open up the action post flop and be blown of the hand.
His preflop raise is a bit confusing if he had 22 unless he was planning to narrow the field HU going to the flop in which case he can take down the pot more than 70% of time with a c bet. Even if someone hits the flop they will be worried that he has a big pair.

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Old 11-29-2015, 02:33 PM   #12
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Bet the flop. It invites at least one V to raise and you can get it in asap. Flops like this are exactly why you called pre. Bad luck if someone has QQ. As played:

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Old 11-29-2015, 04:21 PM   #13
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Re: 3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

For all those advocating moving in $640:

Two days ago 1-2NLH, early position raiser, CO and Button call

($24) Flop comes AQ2 EP raiser bets 12, CO calls, OTB makes it 40: EP calls, CO calls

($144) Turn comes 5 EP checks, CO moves in for 120bb

What does CO, OMC/stone killer, me (BadlyBeaten) ALWAYS have? There's only one right answer, dafuqing nuts. When the tight guy moves in, he has it. It doesn't matter whether he's supposed to have it.

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The pot is already 180 on the flop, and we only have $620 left with the second nuts.. LOVE IT!!
^ And you're exactly the person he came to the game to visit with.

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Old 11-29-2015, 04:31 PM   #14
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fold pre to the 3b
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Old 11-29-2015, 05:02 PM   #15
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Old 11-29-2015, 05:20 PM   #16
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For all those advocating moving in $640:

Two days ago 1-2NLH, early position raiser, CO and Button call

($24) Flop comes AQ2 EP raiser bets 12, CO calls, OTB makes it 40: EP calls, CO calls

($144) Turn comes 5 EP checks, CO moves in for 120bb

What does CO, OMC/stone killer, me (BadlyBeaten) ALWAYS have? There's only one right answer, dafuqing nuts. When the tight guy moves in, he has it. It doesn't matter whether he's supposed to have it.

^ And you're exactly the person he came to the game to visit with.
Hopefully you don't "always" have any particular hand to move all in. If you only do this with AA you are losing just tons of value. You really want me to believe that you are checking AQ here?
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Old 11-30-2015, 01:25 AM   #17
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Re: 3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

it could be set over set over set.

but as played, I would flat the 400 and hope that you get the whole stack of V2. and then shove your last 250 on the river to get the full double up from V1

if you shove over V1, V2 might fold his last 200.

but I am never folding in that spot. V2 looks like KK+, and V1 looks like a lower set.
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Old 11-30-2015, 01:29 AM   #18
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Thanks for the comments....
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so the tagish asian opend UTG for 20 in a ten handed game, and then called 60 from the BB?

you realize that is full on Asian LAG, right?
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:20 AM   #19
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so the tagish asian opend UTG for 20 in a ten handed game, and then called 60 from the BB?

you realize that is full on Asian LAG, right?
His read at the time of the hand could have been that UTG was a TAG player, and he doesn't want to let results bias analysis of the hand.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:17 AM   #20
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Re: 3bet pot with floped set faces serious heat at turn

Playing 66 multiway in 3 bet pot OOP?

This is what you wanted, right? Or you just wanted to xr jam the flop and only get called by overpairs and AQ?


Edit: I meant to congratulate you on folding a set since nobody else did!
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Old 11-30-2015, 08:33 AM   #21
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If you only do this with AA you are losing just tons of value.
If I DID do this with AA, I'd be turning AA into a bluff, which might actually be the worst possible play in poker, ever.

It's nuts or air, EVERY time, and it's 15% air at best.

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