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06-27-2016 , 03:55 AM
1/2 nl, 9 handed.

Villain is late 20s / early 30s and has been super loose passive preflop (limp calling maybe 70% of hands roughly and has been much more straight forward post flop in the hour or so that we've been at the table.

Hero has been TAG but dont think villain notices / cares

$250 effective

folds to villain in the CO who makes it $8, folds to hero in the BB with AK offsuit, hero raises to $25, villain calls

Flop ($51): 653

hero bets $34, villain flats

Turn ($119) 653A

Hero bets $65, villain calls

River ($249) 653A10

Hero shoves remaining $126. Thoughts? I'm super vulnerable to being slow played by straights and maybe sets but I couldn't think of a better line once the Ace turns. Thanks
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06-27-2016 , 04:28 AM
I think I'd prefer flatting pre vs a super loose passive player who raised. Chances are he's got a premium hand.

OTF, I'd probably check and c/f. V should have a lot of PP in his PFR range and they won't fold to a cbet.

As played OTT I might check since it should be hard for him to call with a worse hand (you said he's straight forward postflop).

Standard shove OTR given that he called turn.
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06-27-2016 , 05:18 AM
> I'm super vulnerable to being slow played by straights and maybe sets


you think a loose passive guy is raising pre and calling a 3 bet with 74 or 42?
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06-27-2016 , 07:37 AM
Given this player description, it's ok. Once we bet the turn, we are committing to stacking off, and our sizing is fine.

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Originally Posted by niceguy22
and has been much more straight forward post flop in the hour or so that we've been at the table.
Not too sure what this means exactly. Does this mean we can expect him to raise a str8 OTT? Or does he station ALL hands postflop? Is he capable of floating at all, or did he definitely get a piece OTF? If the last is true, then I don't like our turn bet. I would probably check, and b/f river if checked back to.

I'd like to have a bit more qualification on what you mean by that statement. I mean, your line is ok in a vacuum if you want to stack off with TPTK, but whether or not we want to stack off against this V on this type of hand depends a lot on what you meant when you wrote that particular statement.
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06-27-2016 , 08:16 AM
I think checking this flop is best.

Villain doesn't fold any pocket pair (all of 22+ is a pair + draw / set / overpair).

If he happens to have any 6x or 5x, he doesn't fold.

When you do get him to fold, it's often with hands like KT+, unpaired Ax+, and then a few other unpaired hands you don't dominate (QJ, etc). Either way, when he folds to your c-bet, he's folding away very little equity (and frequently he's folding away his own RIO).

If we do c-bet, I think it needs to be with the plan to barrel turns as bluffs. Given that so many of his made hands are also draws, I don't think this texture supports a plan to barrel. And even more important, this villain - passive - doesn't support that plan.

After betting flop, turn bet for value and river shove are totally fine.
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06-27-2016 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
I mean, your line is ok in a vacuum if you want to stack off with TPTK, but whether or not we want to stack off against this V on this type of hand depends a lot on what you meant when you wrote that particular statement.
Do we really have a choice to not stack off here with TPTK?

When we turn TPTK, the pot is 119 with 191 behind.

Checking turn loses value. And we really can't c/f on the turn. But if we check turn and c/c, the pot will be like, well, like it is on this river as played - 249 with 126 back. I'm don't c/f river here getting 3:1. And as played, planning to c/c river seems like a negative freeroll - villain gets to check behind with worse hands and we'd have to station off vs. stronger hands; but if we bet, we can get value from those worse hands.

I think turn and river are pretty standard vs. almost anyone with 190 left on turn with 120 in the pot.

On turn and river, do you ever take a line that leads to folding?
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06-27-2016 , 08:34 AM
I think it's a near certainty that villain has at least a 4. What else does he flat the flop and turn with? I like your play on every street except river. You're never getting called by worse. There's a tiny chance he'd call with 64, 54 or 34, but I doubt it. So you have to check river. If you think he's capable of bluffing his missed straight draw, river is a c/c, otherwise it's a c/f.
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06-27-2016 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
Do we really have a choice to not stack off here with TPTK?

On turn and river, do you ever take a line that leads to folding?
What hand has a piece of the flop, that this V would raise preflop, that he would also continue when the A spikes the turn? 44 or A4 exactly? Would he raise these preflop? Is there ANY hand that contains a 4 that he would raise preflop? V's line is a bit confusing when taken with the read.

This is why we need a bit of clarification as to what is meant by "straightforward postflop". If I have a guy in my game who is what I consider "straightforward postflop", then I would probably be checking the turn to keep their range wider and either b/f the river or x/calling, depending on their tendencies when checked to.

That being said, we aren't that deep, and because we 3 bet preflop, I'm inclined to stack off regardless here, and I can't fault OP for doing so. I would certainly stack off vs an unknown.
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