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Old 03-30-2014, 08:56 AM   #1
VISH MASTER
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Heart 3bet AA OOP and facing tough river decision

Hi,
This is a local 1/1$ cash game at a poker club.
Hero 194$ . Just got a double up from villain with AA when he had AJ on J888x board.
Villain make loose calls preflop. Stabs the pot in position when sensing weakness. Villain had 200$+ stack. He just reloaded.

Hero has AA

EP short stack with 50$ raises to 7$.
Hero from early middle position 3bet to 18$ hoping EP would ship it and avoiding multiway pot OOP .
Villain tanks for a long time and makes a crying call from BTN .
EP short stack flats.

Flop ( 56$) QJ7
EP checks , hero bets 30$
Villain asks how much I have behind and tank calls. EP folds.
Turn ( 176$) 2
Hero bets 62$ , villain again checks my stack and tank calls.
River (300$) 6

What would you do here ?
From villains facial tells and from what I have observed his tanking and crying calls are always what they look like, he doesn't give fake tells.
From tank call preflop I knew he didn't have a pair to set mine. It was more like suited connectors etc.

Hero also has a very tight image and villain knows I have AA or KK here almost always.
I'll tell you what I did on the river and what happened later.
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Old 03-30-2014, 09:06 AM   #2
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Next time bet like $40 on the flop and ship the turn.

As played, we have like ~$85 left so just ship it in, then curse yourself when he has a flush.
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Old 03-30-2014, 09:14 AM   #3
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I just realized that your math for the pot sizes was off and there's only $116 in the pot on the turn.

Still, bet more in the flop, and more on the turn and you won't have a decision to make on the river.

As played the pots $248 and we have $84 behind, I'm not folding here, I probably ship to make sure we get full value every time he has a Q, but I wouldn't mind a c/c.
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Old 03-30-2014, 09:19 AM   #4
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Re: 3bet AA OOP and facing tough river decision

I agree with Efrom...

Should've been $40 on flop and ship the turn...as played, you left yourself in a bad spot.

Ship it and hope that you're wrong about him being on a flush draw...unless you pick up a great read on him when the heart hits.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:18 AM   #5
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Re: 3bet AA OOP and facing tough river decision

Ok.. He had K5s and I went allin on river and he called and won the pot.
If we had more and I put him on a flush draw and let's say he's not betting the river or calling if I bet unless he has a flush , on this size of a pot, for how big of a bet size can I check fold? And what size of a bet I can't fold to? ( if we had deeper stacks)
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:26 AM   #6
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Re: 3bet AA OOP and facing tough river decision

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Ok.. He had K5s

OMG, what a ****ing fish. Be happy to have this monkey at your table OP- gonna print money from him when he plays such garbage in 3 bet pots.

Sorry that he got there this time though, feels horrible when you do have aces.
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:44 AM   #7
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Re: 3bet AA OOP and facing tough river decision

Wow. Calling a 3bet cold with K5s is atrocious. Adjusting your bet sizing will help you avoid these situations in the future, but in this spot I prefer c/c river giving him the chance to bet/bluff worse. Never folding here.
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:55 AM   #8
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Agree with making flop bet bigger and setting up a turn shove.

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Old 03-30-2014, 12:59 PM   #9
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Re: 3bet AA OOP and facing tough river decision

I think a good general rule for 3-bet pots is to set it up to ship the turn. I tend to 3-bet a bit on the higher side, I'd favor $25 here. 3-bets are rarely folded to so I go bigger for value. Then pot the flop and ship the turn.
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Old 03-30-2014, 01:09 PM   #10
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Re: 3bet AA OOP and facing tough river decision

Your bet sizing got you in trouble. PF was fine, although I would have probably 3-bet to $20-25 to better isolate. The flop texture was massively draw heavy. The only made hands you would need to worry about would be a set or QJ for 2-pair, but I do not see QJ calling a 3-bet pf. On the flop, you should have potted it, which may have kept KK, or AQ in the hand, but would have made calling with draws unprofitable. On the turn, I would have gotten it all in.
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