No real reads 2/5

Sat down for 3-4 orbits haven't played a single hand yet 2people have commented on it (lol)

V1 UTG is the one that commented on my nittyness
V2 quite active loose range pre
Hero CO: $450 everyone covers. Dealt 86hh

Straddle on
V1 opens for $25
V2 calls
I 3bet to $95
Folds to v1 he snap folds
V2 tanks, asks how much I have behind then makes the call after tanking a bit more

Flop:$230
10c8c3s

V jams after about 2 seconds
Hero:???

I don't hold any blockers to draws that he could have, I don't think he jams a 10 for fear of jamming into an over pair. Unfortunately I might be behind equity wise vs 2 overs and a fd:/

You cant call here and really have any hands you are ahead of. Its an easy fold imo.

Id bet he has an over pair.

Do you mean equity wise, or just outright ahead?

I don't block any of his bluff range though, clubs, 97 j9

If you are behind you are drawing basically dead and if you are ahead you are flipping or a slight equity dog. Generally speaking when you are thrilled to be 50/50 you shouldn't be calling without a huge overlay.

Lol Why 3! Without a read?
Fold pre
AP fold Flop


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Nowhere close to deep enough to be doing anything besides folding pre.

The original question is trivial. Easy fold.

There are a couple of areas that are of more concern. First, you're at a table for 3-4 orbits and have no reads. You didn't notice in that time whether they were male/female, calling a lot pf, making any raises, age, stacks neat or not, knew how to cut chips, etc? At this table, at least your villains have noticed you're tight. They are ahead of you.

Second, you haven't played a hand in an hour? There's nothing you could limp at all or call a single raise? I think you need to work on your opening ranges, especially on the button.

Finally, you went on tilt. The villains goaded you into playing 86s as a 3 bet (I'll show them who's the player here!). Once on tilt, you aren't thinking well. It is time to take a break from the table.

Unless 2/5 is the smallest game in your area, you need to drop down to 1/2. Your game isn't strong enough to play 2/5 and all you are doing is being chum to the other players at the table. Work on your game, and then come back to 2/5.

Is this a real question, are we supposed to be analysing the merits of 3 betting 86hh......
It's not the worst pre-flop provided your good enough to understand that middle pair vs an overbet shove is a snap fold here.
Villan understands your nittyness and will put you squarely on a decent pp, he is expecting to get called by qq-kk here

Both

The hands that have you crushed, you don't have any real draws or backdoors, or 'blockers'. Without more history you cant make the call you want me to say is possible. Yes V2 is loose, and yes there is a chance you are beating him, a good one, but the question is are you ok coin flipping AT BEST for 900. I'm not, game is too easy here.

Fold.

V2 is a huge fish. Some guy doesn't play one hand for an hour, and V2 calls a huge 3! OOP. You should have picked up on this while at the table.

If the "correct" players were in the hand, then pre-flop is fine. But you cannot 3! light against huge fishes/whales. They don't fold, and they don't care about your "image". They came to the casino to gamboool. So fold. Top off. And look to make value hands against V2 and win the moneyz.

Oh, and try and play a few more hands

It's a +ev call if his range is capped at draws. enough in the pot to be winning money making this call even if we're slightly behind equity wise.

Noticing a player's gender isn't a read, I described the villian to my right as opening way too many hands preflop and being loose.

An hour isn't a large amount to be card dead, I got dealt A10o in the CO but folded after an UTG raise and a mp 3bet, and let k10o in the HJ go when folded to me.

That's definitely not tilt, I'm using my nitty image to 3bet light, I'm not doing this with every suited 1 gapper I get, but the circumstance was good and I need to be balancing my range with some bluffs.

If he's expecting to get called by qq-kk here, then is he ever doing this with 10x? or JJ or QQ?

e/ I understand this is quite near the bottom of our range, besides missed ak/aq/kqs but might be a spot to make an exploitative call for a small equity edge.

^ really doubt it, if we a crediting villan with any semblance of cognitive ability he should recognise that you only show up here with 99+ and aq+ being as you have 3bet. He Is not expecting many folds, and as such in all likelihood has 33,88, 10-8 here almost always.
He also asks you how much you have behind before making the 3bet call, which suggests he expects you to be big here almost always and wants to see if the implied odds are there if he catchs......

You can look to make sense of this how ever yiu want, but this hand was a mess, there was no need to 3this pre, just call and take a flop.....you wouldn't have such a nitty image if you took a few flops from CO/button with these kind of hands,

Most players are not title droolers if they put in 500$ in the pot on the flop they probably have something, if they are the mad whales that don't you would know by now.

Your preflop 3bet and thoughts of considering a call post flop dont mesh.

I actually dont mind the 3bet here. Anytime you've been tight enough that you really cant see yourself getting much action with AA, thats obv great spot to 3bet bluff. So i like it....BUT if we think villains can give us credit for a big pair, then why would he open shove his draw into us? Villain can sometimes have JJ here, just cause he doesnt know what else to do. Thats probably his most common hand imo. But we are near the bottom of our possible hands here. Dont think villain is itching to shove a draw into an overpair. Calling this off doesnt make much sense

Pretty easy fold without a read that this guy is a spazz. You're burning money in the long run calling off in spots like this. The best you can hope for is two overs and a flush draw... you're basically flipping against that range and in rough shape vs over pairs, top pair and dead to sets.

I think calling with a ~45bb stack is by far the worst play, still a chance it gets 3bet behind me. I'd take a few flops from CO/button with hands like this if I got dealt them...

That was my line of thinking pre, being completely card dead to the point where I know my first time I put money into the pot is just going to fold around is better suited as a bluff than a value raise.

Im not a fan because we are not deep enough and will often get into stupid spots post flop when we get called. This hand is a perfect example of why we should just wait for strong hands. You folded 4 orbits, players are commenting that you haven't played a hand, you 3 bet and still get called and get maximum action.. but you don't have it.

3betting this hand with a stack of 45 straddles is questionable. You need to take it down pre a lot, cuz post flop is gonna suck. Plus you've got 4 people yet to reveal if they've got a hand. I'd go full pot of $110-$115 if I was gonna try it. 3b/f 25% of stack sucks too though.

you need a more detailed read to come up with a post flop decision.

If you effectively conveyed what you wanted to convey with your 3bet pre, then why would the villain shove into you on the flop with anything you beat? Your hand is face up as QQ+ and this guy either wants your stack to go in, or thinks this is a scary enough board that you are capable of folding AA to extreme aggression (another reason why playing no hands can screw you). That being said, the only hands that will pull these semi-bluffs are club draws with overs that you are not ahead of. Overall I'd say your hand is beat by the majority of just this guys preflop calling range, and if I had to guess he has top set or a nut club draw with two overs. You block middle set, but that is it. Preflop 3bet is fine imo but it's extremely hard to not level yourself post when you do get called. Open up your preflop range, especially in position, and the spots will just be easier to handle.

You should be $1450 deep to 3b this hand, not $450...and you also need to know that V calls too much OOP then plays passively post-flop, or that he will fold to 3b often.

If you aren't calling this hand on the flop, what is the worst made hand you call with? These massive overbet donks tend to be draws.

+1

Anyone telling you that 3 betting this hand at this stack depth was okay is giving you horrible advice. Also, when villain asks you how much you have behind he's probably thinking of shoving preflop, indicating that he has a big hand.

^ I am in no way advocating the way this hand was played,or this 3 bet in particular,but I don't think we have to be hugely deep to 3bet light..... I start most of my sessions with 100-150bb and I will have some 3 bet bluffs in there, generally looking to take it down pre or certainly most of the time with a c-bet.....

Disagree. It may not be a theoretically sound 3-bet against theoretically sound players, but we have an image and are against bad players with a hand that is not good enough to call and can flop equity against strong continuing ranges.

Almost nobody is as aggressive as they should/could be pre-flop given live conditions where people have big pre-flop and post-flop leaks. It is unclear whether or not this is a good squeeze spot with limited info on villains. It's definitely worth considering and not horrible.

Yeah. As long as you're topping up after you light 20-30% of your stack on fire with 8 high then I guess it's cool.