Villain - $2000 Reg i've played with, probably winning player??? Seems to play pretty good, but will fold to aggression. Probably views hero as pretty decent. Saw me win a $800~ish pot with Qs9s on BTN in a multiway pot when I drilled the turn.

Hero - $2000 gets 6s6d in sb

Villain opens to $25

Didn't really wanna cold call $25 - just don't see how I can make much $$$ even if I do flop a 6 OOP unless it's gin for both of us
3bet to $110~ a better option?
fold?

$90 gets the same result as $110, and I'm fine with it.

What position did V open from? If it's from EP/MP, then I would just fold. If he opened from late position, then 3! to ~$90.

Raising is turning your hand into a bluff. Generally turning a playable hand into a bluff is bad preflop. Calling or folding is better but the occasional bluff is fine.

I think calling is best against most but with nobody else in the hand it's marginal. This deep you won't be playing for stacks, if you hit you are looking to make some profit by getting at least 2 streets of value. If villain is weak enough that you can't do that very often then you should be looking to call and bluff him off some of the time.

I would say this:
If you are sure villain will fold 81%+ of the time you will break even with 66 against a preflop raiser. If you get called the rest of 19% when he's calling, you will have overcards all over the board and have no betting power OOP unless you flop a set. I don't think you got balls to c/b from SB in 2 overcards. And even if you do have balls-of-steel you are taking too much risk for nothing. Why not just call with that deep effective and play 66 for set value? - I really don't understand why you doing that.

Anyway, What you gonna do on the flop? c/b for $200?
and 3rd bullet $350 OTT?
and 4th barrel for a shove OTR? .. (LOL) ..., this is a good one ...

Where is that game?

you don't have to cbet very big to win all the time. You also want more in your 3bet range than QQ+ Prolly cbet $100 - $140

He opened CO

Never flatting, folding or 3betting pre is good, mostly folding

^^More's the pity, pardner. More's the pity

You win preflop if he folds 81% $25 each time. But the problem is that no sane player raiser with position folds 81% and when he calls the rest of 19% you got tons of overcards and be OOP have no betting power and mostly lose. Even 78 is only 10:11 dog exactly like AK. The opponent doesn't need AK to take you on and you are no winning all the time like you stated. No way! If you c/b all the time to win all the time the way you think, the problem is that the c/b doesn't win all the time and another reason is that you lose the ball-of-steel power when you see a K,Q or A OTF.

That's why I have two games depending of my image. The tight one is that I raise with only with AA/KK or AK and that only in the back to catch villains like your thinking and having $2000 effective. What you gonna do after I call preflop and call your c/b?

That's part of my profile too.

Sorry, I forgot to tell a story related to my feeling when the game becomes wasteful the way I see it. Sorry, but nothing personal. Your play maybe has reasons into the GTO or some other stuff you know and we don't. I hate waste and I hate nothing for nothing in general I'm not wasting my money on useless things in life.

Here is the story:
You know that Basketball player:
Gilbert Arenas posted a picture on his Twitter or Facebook of a fat $100 bill roll held by his toilet paper holder, and wrote this caption: "Money don't change ppl...the lack of money does..never seen a rich person rob a bank..while u hate on my life I'm wiping my a** with this sh*t here haha.” (you see, money has changed him already but he's an idiot to see and understand)

By my book this is a slap in the face to people that work hard everyday and struggle to pay in life. What he’s doing is worse then a poor man trying to steal or eat some food in a grocery store. That poor guy could be send to prison by some pig judge. Yes, that's the way I think. You know how many times I come home from the tables here in Vegas seeing poor homeless beggars in the 7/11 parking lot or at road intersections asking for $1 change? - I give them all the time not $1 but $5 or even more. And I know that may not be all for food but who I am to judge them? They may even lie to me, but that's fine and I don't care because I tank God I'm not in their position outside in 110F heat having to lie and beg. Even if they buy alcohol or who knows what. I'm happy I'm not in that position. I have a heart, You know? .. I do!

^^^wut?

Just call man

who's the BB? station?

call the 23 mine the set save the fps for another hand of no value

+1

3b with 66 is probably optimum vs a CO open

Just fold and reraise some suited connectors


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Those who want to 3b, do you 3b 22?

3b 66 400 bb deep oop. flop comes t84r. now what? have fun.

Nope. But i doubt 22 and 66 are as close together as you think they are. Im sure that 3betting 66 will show a profit, and 22 will not but you have to realize how close in equity 66 is to a co open. Its never going to be a huge edge but it is an edge because villains opens should always contain 55

That one hand is the difference between a profitable 3b and an unprofitable one. But thin edges are were a lot of your profit comes from.

You can 3b and cbet 100% of flops with 66 vs a co open and it will definitely show a profit but its a small profit with high variance. Folding and calling will not show a profit. But you wont lose much.

But a profit is a profit.

75 to go imo

I would consider thia a great flop for 66 because i expect v to fold most 8x pre and shouldnt be whole lot of Tx either and when he does flat this flop, he aint gonna feel good about any turn card. Wake me when flop is KQT, J98

it's very far from optimum to 3bet 66 every time someone open raises from the CO. This is not "take it down pre" poker. People are sticky. They flat. What do you do with no equity on the flop, turn and river? Are you giving up every time you don't hit a set? Your going to go broke pretty fast if you do, not from not flopping a set but from the better players at the table.


3betting 66 pre from the sb will not "definitely show a profit". Calling and folding otf will, if you know how to properly setmine.

But it definitely will show a profit. The profit is something like 1- 2% for every dollar you spend.

This is something i have worked on from playing tournaments. Its a GTO thing. If villain is raising GTO from the CO, then you can run the equities with 66 vs that range and see 66 is slightly ahead and 22 is not.

Obv if we have reads that v is opening tighter than GTO, flatting becomes much more attractive. If he is raising looser its a big profit to 3b. But he actually has to be very tight for 3b to lose $$. Remember that we pick up dead money every time he folds pre (no rake)

so you are barreling off with sixes? nice punt.

we mostly cbet half pot on this flop, get called around 60-80%and then check fold blank turns. or we check/play chicken/hope opponent checks down 55/aq. types

and i didnt pick t84 cause its scary for sixes. I picked it cause we half the best hand a lot of the time but will have difficulty getting it to showdown and winning.

Against a 5x open from a competent reg I'm either 3! or fold most of the time here, leaning towards fold. If we 3! here with 66 it's as a bluff and I think their are better hands to choose.

Would lean towards 3! 99+ AQ+ for value.
I like to have bluff 3! in this spot as well and will usually use A2-A5 suited, 89 and 9T suited. I know that's not a ton of combo's but I think it's enough in a live setting.

I'll flat here with some suited broadways, KQo, AT suited and AJ. 77 and 88 are close and I'm probably folding 77 and flatting 88.

Obviously this range changes if it's a nit or maniac opening, or if the BB is particularly formidable.

Against a good player there is nothing wrong with folding this hand. Raising and flatting are fine too. 66 is a break even hand vs a CO raise. If you feel the need to give action then call or raise. A mix of both would be appropriate.

Sounds like set mining would be less EV versus having a 3b range containing 66.

Question: what are some hands in your flat range from the sb? Smaller pairs and weak aces?

Thanks.


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