1500 effective-2/5 NL Foxwoods

Hero has rep of being maniacal/spewy SLAG but is unknown to v who has only seen me play one hand which was a triple up within an hr of sitting down with AKss on a 3way all in on QsJs6x vs two villains who had QQ and T9ss

V seems fairly passive rec type. Golf hat and drinking a strawberry shake. Seems like he's there to enjoy himself splashing around from what I've seen. Minimal aggression just seems to be calling a lot and hitting draws. He has me well covered at around 2k and is on my immediate left.

Straddled pot, UTG limps, folds to me in CO we make it 40 with red nines, v is button and quickly raises to 140. We peel

Flop (307) T87 rainbow. Check, 150. Call
Turn (607) 2 (second club). Check check
River (607) Tc check, V takes 20 seconds or so and slides out 300, we jam after 10 seconds for roughly 900 more

Thoughts?

Vs range is clearly capped here at AA-QQ. The only other hand he would take this line with is specifically AKcc. He can't have a T or a straight here ever, he has really only one flush combo. I read his 1/2 PSB to be going for thin value and can't imagine him wanting to stack off 300bb with one pair. Very odd he pot controls the brickiest turn ever in position as well..Plus EV or ******ed Spew?

Also, what do you think of his play with a likely overpair in this spot. I think it's optimistic to be going for thin value with a capped range against capable opponents

Would you ever actually play Tx like this

I have seen worse. I think I like leading the river for 500 better, as the check jam seems more like a bluff than if you had just made a value bet on the river, but I think this bet will probably fold overpairs often enough to show a profit.

Like matzah was getting at, this line doesnt make sense with any value hand, hence why it looks like a bluff.

pretty V dependant.

against most experienced poker players, a normal V is going to lay this down.

against some stationy V's, they are never going to lay down an overpair. Ever.

Given that your V checked the turn and only went for 2 streets of value, he seems pretty conservative and I would say that this bluff should work 70+% of the time.

his turn check is kind of weird. you might have him beat anyway

+1

It's worth to try against reg players who are able to understand what you rep of. But, it's too risky against rec players. Btw I like the line you did. It could possibly work.

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From described player i’d prob assign him all AK’s, including the one that beats us obv

I’m folding or calling; i think calling wins a bit too often to turn it into a bluff

It's theoretically good, whether it's practically is another question

Why do so many posters not adjust effective stacks for straddle pots? This is not a 300bb deep hand; this is 150bb deep as it's playing 2-5-10. And this always matters a lot.

They way he described Villain I don't know if he is 3betting pre flop with AK. Since he has a visor on though it's a little tougher to read.

Pokerprince, if the game had a regular table straddle I would totally agree. In this case a straddle was happening maybe 1/20 hands but I see your point. On the surface however it was a typical 3b pot. When there's an open and several callers the 3b would typically be 110-150 so soup to nuts in Hu pot on the flop it was pretty standard with or without the straddle

I love the LLNL hand histories because in a vacuum the site favors a TAg style and is usually critical of someone trying to play LAG at 500 max NL. However, without having crazy insane results I can attest to being a decent winning player paying lag in a game that some would say is unbeatable daytime for more than 3-5bb an hr

in this situation, we have a player who views me as the opposite of what I am. He sees TAG player and what I am is a capable maniac. I don't agree he has air here ever. If he checks a brick turn and makes a half size PSB on the river he has some hand he may feel is best but a hand he is not confident extracting three streets with. Any confident overpairs love to get value on this turn. Scared money pot controlling overpairs can't stomach to lose value on a walk in the park turn check through.

Fwiw the reason I made this play was his turn check, in theory if he's scared to put money in one a brick turn , how confident can he ever beep calling a 200bb river raise with a cap range.

Given the V descript, I think it will work most of the time.

As for the turn check, perhaps thinking 2-pr? Wanted to pot control, which is in favor of your bluff. On the other hand, I'd fold pre to a passive rec 3bet.

There are no Tx in your range either mostly, so you're repping 77/88. But 77/88 would likely c/r that flop oop, so a c/shove from a capable opponent here looks more like a missed draw trying to exploit a thin-value-betting capped range to a thinking V imo.

Is an overpair really folding to a bet OTR when they specifically checked the turn to pot-control and call this river bet?

So you're never setmining here? In that case, what's your calling range here? And your 4betting range?

I would definitely fold an overpair if I were villain. I would have a hard time giving my opponents credit for a bluff in a spot like this, so nice hand imo. Sucks if he actually has the hand you're repping, but I'd mostly put him on an overpair here (or a hand you're already beating).

OP, I have two questions for you:

1) What are your thoughts on c/r the flop and shoving the turn instead of taking the line you did?

2) What would you do if OP bet turn? Were you still c/shoving?

I think your line will work and he will fold his overpair most of the time. I agree his range is capped at AA-QQ/AK based on your description. In my mind I would question you actually have a T, as the c-raise line is bluffy. It would be more regular from my experience for you to fire a value bet on the river...you know v has an overpair and a bet would most likely be called. But he may not be thinking it through all the way, so still I consider it a good move that puts him in a tough spot.

I like your line, though I like x/r flop -> shove turn even better.

I’m loathe to let AK realize his 27% equity here with a turn x back and none of his overpairs are feeling good about stacking off to a turn shove in a 3! pot.

Its genius his range is capped at Aces and you could easily check turn expecting a bet so you could raise.
It makes perfect sense to me

Not vs. this player descript, oop. The ES is only 15x the raise, so that is borderline as well. As results showed, he pot controlled turn which inhibits getting a proper return.

I'm flatting JJ+, not 4-betting, even AA.

So how’re you playing JJ-AA after flatting pre (assume similar postflop betting line by V)?

Villain - minimal aggression, calling a lot, golf hat sipping a strawberry shake. seems like the type that didnt come here to fold. You check all 3 streets. Seems like your range is quite capped.

V a villain with minimal aggression how many people in this thread go for 3 streets of checking with a big hand? serious question. HOW MANY??

X/r flop to $500.

As played, flat river.

All I'm reading here is "I'm a station".