1-2NL. Been at the table for 3ish hours and worked my stack up to $400ish showing down big PPs as well as SC and suited 1 gappers. I'm utg and limp with 44. UTG1 makes it $12(this has been the standard raise all night) UTG2 calls. While the play is going around the table I ask why he raised and UTG1 states that he has Aces and had to raise. I tell him I can beat aces and he again states that he has aces and hopes that they hold up. Folds around to me and I call.
UTG1 has been at table for 1 maybe 2 orbits. He has about $90 in front.
UTG2 has been at table for a couple hours and over values top pair and plays any hand that contains an Ace regardless of kicker or pre/post flop action. He has about $180 behind.
Flop comes 472 rainbow.
I check, UTG1 bets $15 UTG2 calls
Fully believing UTG1 has aces, and that he will gii if I raise, I decide in fact to bump it to $35. UTG1 shoves UTG2 folds. After the hand is finished, and another 7 has rolled off on the river, UTG2 tells me he had A7 and that I threw away an opportunity to stack him. Based on UTG2 earlier play, I thought he would call my modest raise if he had in fact hit any of that board.
Thoughts on my line to get UTG1 to gii? Everyone else standard just flat and see turn? I'm feeling pretty foolish, but am still getting the hang of cash games
Last edited by aces hold?; 12-28-2015 at 04:45 PM.
Reason: typos and note about standard raise
I actually like the raise on the flop. Flatting because of that logic is very results oriented. If the board were to run out anything higher than a seven, then utg2 wouldn't be comfortable stacking at all. But by pushing the action on the flop when he has something like tptk, he's much more likely to make a calling mistake while he feels he has good equity. Especially since you said he gets sticky with top pair like hands. AP, there's nothing wrong with stacking utg1. Utg2 just had a hand that he didn't want to continue with that's all.
I actually like the raise on the flop. Flatting because of that logic is very results oriented. If the board were to run out anything higher than a seven, then utg2 wouldn't be comfortable stacking at all. But by pushing the action on the flop when he has something like tptk, he's much more likely to make a calling mistake while he feels he has good equity. Especially since you said he gets sticky with top pair like hands. AP, there's nothing wrong with stacking utg1. Utg2 just had a hand that he didn't want to continue with that's all.
Dislike raising in this spot because it can have the affect of isolating the 40 BB stack, which happened here. Let him control the pot on what he thinks is a safe board to get max value IMO.
But how are we getting value on the turn or river from utg2 with any card other than an A or 7? As soon as the pot starts to inflate at all, he'll just get out then.
By taking a passive line like this, we miss a lot of value from hands like 88+ and a7. Hands that will virtually feel comfortable only on the flop.
when the 90 stack calls 15, we can pretty comfortably assume he's okay going the whole way. why potentially lose a customer? If we let the aggressor take one more shot on we will likely get his bet + the extra call, we can then decide what to do.
Good point. But multiway after a second barrel ott, it's still going to be tough for utg2 to continue with a lot of hands given the range we assign him. Imo, raising a player otf who's known to get sticky with tptk or over pair like hands will be profitable more often than not
Thoughts on my line to get UTG1 to gii? Everyone else standard just flat and see turn? I'm feeling pretty foolish, but am still getting the hang of cash games
I usually bet a set when I'm first to act in a multiway pot and hope to get raised. A c/r is too strong a move on the flop and screams 'i have a set', imo. I would c/r a super wet board where I want more FE. A donk looks more like a weaker hand, like A7 or 99 on this flop. I want to get $$$ in asap.
Call flop and call or check raise turn depending on what utg2 does.If you certain he has aces, considering his stack he will try to get it all in on any turn as there are no real scary turn cards. You don't need protection for your hand either so I think we get more value by keeping both players in the hand.
Its an extremely dry board, there are no likely draws, its the perfect spot to slowplay your set and keep both players in the hand until the turn peels. There is really no point in pushing anybody out of the pot.
