V1 ($600) is a LAG who has way too many bluffs pre and post, has already 4-bet bluffed off a stack to me early in the session after I 3-bet him. He's probably down $1500 in the 2 hours we've been playing up to this point so maybe tilted a bit.

V2 ($1700 eff with me) Asian OMC who is a bit tilted and has his chips in rack ready to leave, rarely 3-bets, lots of limp/calling, he is the reason I'm at this table.

7 handed 3/5

V1 raises in ep to $25 over a limp, V2 next to act 3-bets to $125, Hero on button looks down at KK and cold calls the 3-bet, V1 also calls

I decided to just flat here as a cold 4-bet here looks so insanely strong after V2 3-bets to 5x. I would probably do this with most pocket pairs as I have the odds to set mine against the OMC who will probably dust off his entire stack if he has AA or KK vs my flopped set. Another reason I decided to cold call is that V1 is capable of making a squeeze play on the dead money in this spot and his stack size is perfect for a 4-bet jam. I also think I'm way too deep to be getting it in with KK to an OMC and I don't want to 4-bet/fold.

Flop($375): KsQs2h. V1 checks, V2 checks, I bet $125, fold, fold. BOOOOOOO!

on a dry board I'd be checking here all day but this board has sooooo many draws that I decide to bet. Is it results oriented to think this bet was a mistake or does it make sense to bet here and hope hands like T9, JT, AJ, AQ, AT, spade draws, etc call? Also was thinking a check here makes sense for the same reason I cold called the 3-bet, to get V1 to spazz out thinking both I and V2 have a capped range checking this flop in position.

I'm bombing the flop.

You did nothing wrong. KQ, two spades. Got to protect your equity. Probably a few AX hands, maybe if you were unlucky, AQ.

I probably go closer to half. Your bet might have looked suspiciously like a set.

Your 1/3 of the pot looks like a suck bet; I think a larger bet might actually have a better chance of being called. Also, if there is a draw out there, that small bet offers great explicit and implied odds---neither of which you want.

I do like your preflop move of not raising, as yeah, it would pretty much be a neon sign blinking on and off: BIG PAIR!!! There is, of course, an argument for raising at that juncture anyway.

Do you think OMC has AA more than half the time? What about QQ and AK or much less likely also KK? Couldn't his large three-bit indicate a weaker hand that he wants to take down now like JJ? Why wouldn't you want to get it all in with KK?

I don't mind the small bet but you have to think what are you trying to accomplish in the hand ? What hands are you targeting to call your smallish bet , I would say all draws would call, possible middle pair type hands as well, and anything better of course , also you will likely intice people to call with air etc to try and outplay you on dangerous turn cards etc ,,, by betting normally half pot to 2/3rds it's more difficult for them to continue with air , draws etc , I think standra is half or 2/3rds etc depends on your villians , depending on turn card you can pot control or reassess, I think overall against good opponents deep you will have tough spots , but you have top set so idk rip it in brooski

SPR is already so low that your bet size doesn't really matter much. Villains either have a hand they are going with or they don't. Your hoping somebody has AA or that the short stack has AQ/bad draw they feel like they can't fold. You probably get one call out of V2 if they have AQ but they likely give up before stacks go in.

Given how dangerous the board is betting something is the way to go. You bet small enough that good draws are priced in anyways but you don't want V1 catching a flush or making a runner/runner straight with garbage. V2 either connected or he is done.

Maybe I wasn't clear in the OP but me and V2 are both 350bb deep. V2 is only 100bb deep.

I agree with every action you made. Sometimes there just isn't any money to be made, that's all.

I wouldn’t mind a PF 4-bet this deep assuming you’re wider than just KK+ with it. In position and deep it makes stacking V2 much more likely than flatting. If V2 is the mark then go after him.

It doesn't really matter that you are 350BB deep once V2 makes the big 3 bet and it goes 3 ways to the flop. SPR is < 5 and that constrains the action. Once you are in that range calling any bet is more or less pot committing.

i don't see any problem here and wondering why it's a thread, you could have 4 bet pre but you have the button and could have a ton of other hands so you can flat here some of the time, maybe like 25% of the time, definitely betting the flop, sorry they didn't have anything

Higher stakes than I normally play, but in terms of bet sizing, yeah I definitely would bet KK the same size I'd bet AK, i.e. pot sized to make it look like I'm trying to keep draws out.

I wouldn't want to get KK in pre 350bb deep against most players let alone an OMC. My 4-bet range against a player like this is AA, AK or some sort of Axs.

wp

Gonna go against the grain and say betting is a large mistake. Villians ranges aren't draw heavy at all since the top two cards are the fd cards and villians very rarely will have JT. If v2 is as omc as you say then he has literally zero draws since he's not 3betting AJs. We block every strong hand other than sets as well.

Betting top set on the flop is almost always a mistake in the long run, at least for this size. This sub massively over values "protecting our equity." If you absolutely have to bet then bet 10 or 15% pot

Anyway that's my weekly post about why betting top set is bad. Carry on