Okay so I've been sitting at the table for about an hour and I'm from out of town so no one there knows how I play and I know nothing about these guys either. It's around midnight or a bit later and this table has from what I've seen before this hand 2 or 3 competent players but players I feel I can beat. The rest are spewy and somewhat intoxicated. Moving on, this was the action of a particular hand as I start with $71 as the hero, the (button) has about the same, (mid position) has about $200


(UTG+1) limp- call $6
(Mid+1) - all in $6
Hero (1 off Button A8o) - call 6$
(Button) - call $6
(SB) - fold
(BB) - posts blind - call $4 more ($6 total)
(Mid) - call - call $4 more ($6 total)
Pot $37
Flop Q A 8 rainbow
Check to me +$15
(Mid) - call
(button) call
Turn 10 clubs (no flush draws)
(Mid) - Check
(hero)- check
(button) all in for $49
Snap call from (mid)
(hero) fold

Okay so I'm sure I'll get a few people saying I should have mucked this preflop but like I said earlier the few competent players at this table I can beat and I've been playing tight at this table for a while. Thinking about this hand after the session I think this is one of my leaks in my game because I can make an argument for folding this just in the sense of flopping just an Ace puts me in a bad position because I won't be getting much value out of that hand and it's also not suited so I can rule out plenty of flush draws unless it's 4 to a flush but that didn't happen. Anyways I know I can outplay them post flop so I decided to call.
On the flop I really felt like I had the best hand because I think the way the table was playing AQ would have reraised pre flop and my $15 bet I felt could have been larger but I'm thinking that if there are draws I don't mind pricing them in to keep chasing especially since there are mainly just gut shots here that can chase. On the turn after getting two callers and the 10 hitting the board I didn't feel too confident about betting again because it does complete the KJ and J9 straight. After the action and me tanking for a bit I folded because the guy who snapp called also didn't put any chips in the pot he just said call. Then the dealer asked him to put the chips in. I think this is a definite tell based on the fact that I did this In a tournament last week not realizing another player was in the hand and realized that what I did must have looked really strong which is what my hand was at the time. Anyways after taking that into consideration along with the amount of hand combinations that beat me here I found a fold.

So for my first question: is there a certain percentage of times I should be calling here this is probably a better question if we were heads up but I felt I should ask
Second: am I over thinking the amount of hand combinations here? My thought process was that there are 36 straight combos here 12 AQ combos if slow played preflop, I ruled out sets because those also would have raised pre flop like 1010 and QQ.
Third: against better players is this fold/play probably one that is too easily exploitable?

Follow up: I think bet folding this turn might ha e been a better play what do you guys think?

the pot is $82 on the turn and you have $50 remaining in your stack. what size would you feel comfortable making a bet/fold to?

also.. you're starting the hand with a 12bb stack. you're probably in shove/fold mode and should be calling preflop with practically nothing. why playing so short?

1. play with more money or else drop down in stakes
2. at stack depth, don't limp in with anything. shove or fold. wouldn't hate either with A8o... its been years since i studied ICM, but my gut says its a borderline hand
3. as played, you are all-in once that flop hits with an SPR of less than 2. only question is how to get there. bet flop a bit bigger then ship turn is my play.

Flop sizing is terrible.

No idea why we are so short. No idea why we give up on turn.

If you can beat this game, it doesn't show in this hand.

I won't pile on. The pre-flop wasn't really good especially that short. You're really looking for a 3 or 4 bet all in spot. You can't go fishing for 2p.

OTF. Bingo, you hit 2p. Only thought now should be, how to get it in. You went less than half pot. Just pushing is fine, or pot if you're likely to get a caller that way.

OTT. If anyone hit their gutshot... good on them. You need push anyway (although you should have already been all in at this point).

No offense, OP, but all of this. Is this game in SoCal? Can't imagine a game this short anywhere else.

Fold pre with stacks this short. AP, at least $25 OTF for fat value.

AP to turn, there is about $80 in the pot (depending on rake) and we have 50 left. We should just be shoving it in.

Yea this was at pechanga. Anyways, during this hand I wasnt thinking about SPR pre flop but my bet on the flop was going to set me up for a turn shove but the only people calling me on the flop are either Hands like A10+ and straight draws. So when the 10 hit the turn I really fealt like that was a bad card.

Follow up: so this is what the button and mid position had
(Button) Q10o hit two pair ( what I was worried about getting bet off of on the turn)
(Mid) KJd which makes sense why he snap called putting no money in the pot until told by dealer to.

None of this matters. Focus instead on the fact that you started with only $71 and that you called a $6 all in with A8o.

The former is not ideal but the latter is a huge leak. If you are so intent on playing it, at least 3bet and try to get HU with the AI player. But calling a raise with A8o and a short stack and going MW is burning money. How do you plan on winning this hand long term? Don't forget there's a dry side pot. The AI player could have A9+ and be dominating you already.

OTF, bet way bigger. Make it $30. You could even shove with your stack and make it look like you have a weak Ace that's hoping to take it down.

But it all starts with your decision to call pre. The first mistake starts the snowball effect.

Yea driving home afterwards I was thinking about this hand and one of the things I was thinking was 3 betting preflop if not folding and take a bit of an aggressive line because you are right taking this MW isn't a good move here when I'm short stacked. Thanks for the insight.