Hi all,

I've added 3-bet bluffs into my preflop game and on the whole I am not impressed with the results. I normally do this with the weaker unsuited broadways, mainly AJ and KQ. Twice in the last week I ran into it and lost a good sum of money (once v. AK or AQ who flopped top pair and jammed over my c-bet and once v. AA who CRAI over my c-bet on a low unconnected board).

For those of you who have played longer...is it worth it to 3! these hands against the average player, call, or simply fold? I am not talking about 3! these for value against LAGs. Just against the average 1/3 player.

Thanks,
DT

The average 1/3 player is not raising light. Therefore, it makes little sense to 3! them light. There are players that think AK and JJ are limp calling hands.

Of course it comes down to villains tendency.

Does villain open and then call 3! Light oop? If so 3! With a strong range (AJ+, KQ+, 99+)

Does villain opens and then play 4! Or fold oop? If so 3! A polarized range.

Does villain call 3! Oop and then play fit or fold post? If so 3! A ton and cbet a ton.


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Threebetting light is very player dependent and you shouldn't do it against players whose raising range is already too tight. The hands you ran into somewhat suggest that you were threebetting tight players. That said, the hand against AK/AQ isn't a problem, like if they're going to flat and play fit or fold with those hands then that's going to be good for you.

Generally 3bet for pure value. Find guys who can actually fold to a 3bet and then mix in hands like small suited aces or suited connectors.

Hands like KQo and AJo are 3bets when you have somebody open raising garbage. Standard LLSNL regs don't open raise garbage though, they limp or overcall with it.

I basically try to attack weak sizing when I elect to 3 bet a little light.

For instance, there was an open to $7 at my 1/3 game last night. One caller and I look down at A9 off in the SB.

Normally I am just folding. Here I elected to make it $28. Original raiser folds and then the caller calls.

Flop is Q86 rainbow. I bet $25 and she folds.

I don’t recommend 3 betting light often. Maybe once or twice every 8 hour session.


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Write this down 50 times before you step into the 1/3 games on a piece of paper, op

+1. So much to be gleaned from sizing.

+1. I was in the exact same boat as you hearing about all these three bet lights and trying to incorporate it into my game. Now there are definitely spots to do it in but the vast majority of the time it just doesn't make sense because of the tightness of the original Raiser. At least in my games.

Good points about attacking people with glaring sizingtells.

I want to chime in with another important premise for 3 betting light succesful: having a good solid winning tight image. This will amp your much needed fold equity, either to take it down directly pre or for your C-bet to work at a high rate when you whiff the flop.

An example of picking a good spot from my own game couple weeks ago. Hero have been extremely card dead, barely played a hand voluntarily over the last couple hours.Couple of the regfishes have made a comment or two about how tight i am playing. Reg with a sizing tell (makes it 4 BB with weak/average hands and 6BB or more with premiums), raise it up from MP with a wide range to 4 BB. I have KJ off on the button and makes it 16 BB to go. Reg makes a discusting comment about me possibly being very strong as he calls my 3 bet, and that he needs a flop with small cards. As the dealer puts down the A-2-7 rainbow flop he looks at me and says, thats you right? I smile back at him and answers with "that is for sure possible" as i C bet 18 BB and villain instafolds telling me that he knows i have at least AK.

For the most part, I think you could still do quite well having a 0% light 3bet frequency, especially the smaller stacks at your table, the looser your table is, the less raise/foldy people are, the more overcallers are flatting with big hands that are never folding, etc.

However, just keep your eyes peeled for spots that may work. Gil's example above is a good one, but at some tables you can go for quite a while before you encounter this type of spot (ex. a smallish $12 raise in EP rarely folds to the Button at my table), so don't force it if it ain't there.

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When you say "the average player", does that mean you don't have any reads on them? You should only wanna do it if you know they're opening range is wide. You should fold to players who only raise big pairs and premium hands. And furthermore, it would be helpful to know how they respond to a 3bet, both in and out of position. The more they fold, the more you can widen your range to include hands like A5s and the more they call, the less you should do it light.