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12-15-2015 , 09:35 AM
Hero is 23 year old, playing good poker folding in right spots and value betting thinly. I have 400$ I have been tight from up front.

V- he raises a lot preflop from any position with anything he thinks is playable from 76s to 76o it doesn't matter. He got stacked not too long ago on a AK3 board he had AQ UTG and check raised to 50 after pfr bet 10 , pfr went all in and he called. He lost 150+ Guy has AK. 200$.UTG

V raises to 10 guy who's running hot calls and its up to me in HJ with AQ I decided to flat( should I be 3 betting this here) btn calls as well.

Flop-QJ2 pot-45
v leads for 15 folds to me I raise to 40( thoughts on sizing)folds to V who calls.

Turn: K pot-125
He checks I think for a second than check

River-7pot-125
He leads for 25 I called.

Main questions are should I be 3 betting this and what do you think about flop raise and sizing. Are you ever betting turn ??
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12-15-2015 , 09:42 AM
3 bet against a loose opener for value

On the flop make the raise sizer bigger ~60, he has so many draws here that will call

K is one of the worst cards in the deck on the turn for you as so much of his range has gone ahead so I like a trn check

River is a call because of the pot odds we are getting and he could be block betting with worse hands
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12-15-2015 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Leobzook
3 bet against a loose opener for value

On the flop make the raise sizer bigger ~60, he has so many draws here that will call

K is one of the worst cards in the deck on the turn for you as so much of his range has gone ahead so I like a trn check

River is a call because of the pot odds we are getting and he could be block betting with worse hands
+1. I'd be 3 betting AQs every time in this situation. I'd raise to 60 at a minimum. This villain is a donk and often won't care what the price is to continue with a draw. I might throw 75 out there.
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12-15-2015 , 01:16 PM
Whether or not we should 3b here depends on a lot of factors that are not given. One is how he plays back vs 3bs OOP. If he flats a ton to them obviously we want to get value, if he folds all but the top of his range we should flat. If he likes to 4b a bunch and put us in tough spots where we get bluffed off equity we should flat. Also depends on the players behind. Are there any spots who are deep that we can stack. Do we have players who like to call all suited junk and we can cooler with flush over flush! Just because dude opens wide and we have position does not mean this is an auto 3b. Given information you have I lean towards one because he doesn't seem like the folding type, but it's tough to say definitively
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12-15-2015 , 01:48 PM
Yes, definitely 3! a 'raise with anything from anywhere' player with AQs. The other villain probably doesn't have a great hand if he just called a loose raiser. You should 3! to get HU in position on a loose player with a strong hand.

Raise more on the flop. You only made a 1/3 pot raise. You should make it about $70+. You need to raise because V's small raise looks like a draw, or weak Q or J. A set or two pair would bet more. You can't call and give draws good odds. You also get value from weaker Q.

Kc is a pretty miserable card. Not as bad as Kh at least. I think your turn decision depends completely on whether villain would c/r semibluff. I'd bet/fold about 1/2 the pot, if villain is unlikely to make a c/r semi-bluff. A lot of better hands like KJ, KQ, AT, T9 might c/r shove. If villain is capable of a c/r semibluff, I would just check and evaluate the river.

The river is a trivial call.
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12-15-2015 , 02:06 PM
I think 3-betting vs. this villain is better, but calling is OK, too.

If you 3-bet, you can get called by a range you crush including many dominated hands (AJ, AT, KQ, QJ, QT), and you can also get folds from non-dominated hands that have decent equity, like 76o. That said, if he calls with 76o, that's also OK. 3-bet/fold.

And Cbrewer has a great point... if we do have some sort of extensive 3-bet or 4-bet dynamic, then you could play it differently. Generally, most of the time and without a better read, I expect the villain you describe is opening an extremely wide merged range and will flat our 3-bet with a slightly more narrow merged range. That's a good thing.

Calling obviously keeps all his hands in, you are guaranteed position, and you have a huge card advantage. So it can't be bad, but I think 3-betting is usually better.

Probably go to 60 on the flop. A pot sized raise is to 90.

Turn check is fine.

The river is call fine, and I guess the pot odds make it lol, but I actually expect to lose quite often in this spot. I feel like it's one of those 6:1 spots where we're frequently more like a 10:1 dog or worse, but given pot odds, I pay the man his money.
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12-15-2015 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cannabusto
+1. I'd be 3 betting AQs every time in this situation. I'd raise to 60 at a minimum. This villain is a donk and often won't care what the price is to continue with a draw. I might throw 75 out there.
Can't modify the post for some reason, but want to be clear that I'm discussing the flop raise when analyzing sizing here.
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12-15-2015 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cbrewer4
Whether or not we should 3b here depends on a lot of factors that are not given. One is how he plays back vs 3bs OOP. If he flats a ton to them obviously we want to get value, if he folds all but the top of his range we should flat.
I would still 3bet even if he folds to 3bets OOP. Actually if he folds a lot to 3bets I would widen my 3bet range vs him.

As nice a hand AQ looks I don't like flatting unless we can't 3bet due to a war between him and I where he will 4bet/fold almost all of his range. In that case, I would flat to play creative post flop.



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Originally Posted by Willyoman
If you 3-bet, you can get called by a range you crush including many dominated hands (AJ, AT, KQ, QJ, QT), and you can also get folds from non-dominated hands that have decent equity, like 76o. That said, if he calls with 76o, that's also OK. 3-bet/fold.

Calling obviously keeps all his hands in, you are guaranteed position, and you have a huge card advantage. So it can't be bad, but I think 3-betting is usually better.
yeah even if we crush his range, 3betting is still better because when we both miss the flop after we flat pre, he's gonna cbet and his range will be so polarized that we would have to bluff the cbet to win (if he has air) and if we get called, we can't really continue unimproved. 3betting pre and taking away his initiative makes it a lot easier.
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12-15-2015 , 02:25 PM
I just unmathematically assume we can make more money in position vs a wide range than we would if he folds to our 3b pre. Seems evident in the post above he makes huge mistakes post flop. Could easily stack his Qx on a Q high board
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12-15-2015 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
, 3betting is still better because when we both miss the flop after we flat pre, he's gonna cbet and his range will be so polarized that we would have to bluff the cbet to win (if he has air) and if we get called, we can't really continue unimproved. 3betting pre and taking away his initiative makes it a lot easier.
+1

I wouldn't mind flatting this if further from the BTN becasue I tend not to mind taking stronger hands Mutliway with large spr given they are so profitably played post flop in this type of game.

However, you actually lost position by flatting late, and of course dilute the value of position and range when doing so. Limiting the players to my left and fish's right is critical as we know, so even if the gameflow hasn't seen many 3-bets, this would be a good spot to do it for many of the reasons already stated itt.

AP, I rarely am checking K turn. I bet small ott to get value from a handful of trash FDs/AJ/JT/worse Qxs stuff. He has some KJo+/AT/9T/AK as well, but his weaker Kx should only be Ck-c and hero has equity against it. Also, by betting turn, he is much less likely to bet river with any weak hands/bluffs and we can (usually) get to SD and win plenty.
Check isnt bad, I just think we're not getting Ck-r often and called by worse enough to warrant a small bet --- the guy isn't paying attention to sizing given HH
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12-15-2015 , 03:41 PM
I would 3bet pre to 35 considering his range and willingness to call

AP I like how you played flop
I would bet turn for value maybe $45 and bet river if he just calls turn

You didn't tell us much about his X raising plays so I assume he doesn't have that in his bag
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12-16-2015 , 01:09 AM
I would generally 3 bet pre to $40.

Flop As played- I would raise bigger on the flop to $60-70
Turn as played- I would bet/fold $60
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12-16-2015 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by battagd1
I would 3bet pre to 35 considering his range and willingness to call

AP I like how you played flop
I would bet turn for value maybe $45 and bet river if he just calls turn
+1
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12-16-2015 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Cbrewer4
Whether or not we should 3b here depends on a lot of factors that are not given. One is how he plays back vs 3bs OOP. If he flats a ton to them obviously we want to get value, if he folds all but the top of his range we should flat. If he likes to 4b a bunch and put us in tough spots where we get bluffed off equity we should flat. Also depends on the players behind. Are there any spots who are deep that we can stack. Do we have players who like to call all suited junk and we can cooler with flush over flush! Just because dude opens wide and we have position does not mean this is an auto 3b. Given information you have I lean towards one because he doesn't seem like the folding type, but it's tough to say definitively
This. standard if i know villan isn't very likely to 4 bet would be to 3! i would say AQs plays decent on flops. Also i think this is heavily dependent on guy who is running hots' likelyhood to fold.
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12-16-2015 , 03:12 AM
Ok results he had 10 9 o for the straight. As soon as I flat called I felt like oh oils have 3 bet he was very active .
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12-16-2015 , 07:33 PM
Good info - this player should be easily exploited by playing your strong hands aggressively going forward. This included 3 betting him with premium hands pre.
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