6 combos of JJ, 1 combo of QQ, 12 combos of AK and 12 combos of KK/AA.

However, I doubt someone who has only raised once in 3 hours is going to raise pre with AK (it's not even a pair!!!).

Plus 3 hours with villain, you can easily make inference to what kind of hands she had shown that she didn't raise.

I know if I'm sitting in the game I would probably just do the same thing and auto-3bet. I rarely flat with QQ and just kind of autopilot 3bet it. But there are certain regulars in that room (i.e. the OMCs) who I'll flat it with because of how how narrow their PFR range is. If you really think this lady was that tight then yeah it makes sense to flat with QQ - especially if you think she's folding JJ/AK. You don't want her to fold those hands. If you think that's a good thing then maybe you're 3betting more to make the hand easy to play, instead of trying to take the most +EV line.

That being said I know I would have ended up doing the same thing in-game. Definitely an easy fold after she jams. Some good answers in this thread have made me re-evaluate this kind of situation. There are definitely plenty of situations where I treat JJ as a set-mining hand so there are certainly also situations where QQ should be treated in the same manner.

Edit: Your sizing also makes no sense to me. I would think if you're going to 3bet, it makes sense to make it a size where AK/JJ/TT will call - I think $40-$45 would be ideal.

If we raise to $40 and Villian 1 flats, Villian 2 will have odds to come along as well. I like the bigger raise but given the situation, be willing to fold. You got the info you were looking to obtain with the raise. Now use it and fold.

as played call

folding is ******ed

your not deep don't need to make it bigger than 45-50 if your going to 3b

3b whatever sets up flop shove


you don't have to 3b here though you will get shipped on pretty much 100% lol

I think you have to think about stacks to give a real answer as to the right amount to 3 bet. And that info isn't in the OP for all players.

Playing a little devils advocate, but I am definitley questioning this assuming she calls every 3b (very likely)...

if she calls a 3b with that entire range of JJ+ AK shouldn't we go ahead and 3bet? We beat 18/31 combos plus the dead money from the other villain who still may come along so we get value.

She hasn't played a hand in hours, if we know she precisely has JJ and AK in her range, I doubt she wants to fold. People dont go to the casino to raise/fold huge hands. She can call with worse, and 4b only better.

I'm reminded of when you correctly hero folded jj on the turn (overpair) in a single raised pot facing a double barrel against Wendy in ep on latb

IF that's her range, and there are those that treat AK as a non-raising hand.

If you remove AK, 3betting is horrible in this spot.

That was a nice laydown, any good player should be able to do that... JJ is a flat in this spot.

agree

FWIW, 3betting to fold out JJ/AK is not a bad thing in this spot.

Eff stacks with the other two players was $242

I think against this player a flat is more optimal than a 3 bet, but if you are going to 3 bet, 35-40 is probably the right size. Even at a house as loose as parx, that should fold out anything weak and give you plenty of space to fold to a shove.

With 2 players, 62 is basically bombing the pot and guaranteeing you only get called or raised by better.

Yes, waaaay too big.

A 'pot' bet would be $51 if I added correctly, so it wasn't WAAAAY too big, but I agree it was too big.

Yeah I correctly gauged her aggression. Probably the first time I ever took that line with JJ. That spot doesn't come up too often. Most people are way looser than her. Even the so called tight players. So mainly I 3bet JJ+ vs noob tight players. Not vs what I call nits though.

As for the 3bet its not a mistake most of the time. Its all on what you feel comfortable with. I know the board tells a story. If I'm deep enough I want to gauge that story.

Why not click it back to 20$ preflop?

If you get 4bet by AA-KK then fold and lose only 20$, all her worse hands that you dominate like JJ - 99 will flatcall and stay in the hand. The two other players will probably overcall and you will have an SPR of less than 3 on the flop with QQ. Yeah its 4way and you are OOP but it will still be a pretty profitable spot.

The other caveat of this is the possibility of the bad LAG spazzing out preflop and 4bet shipping trash over the 70$ already in the pot.

Ok, I went over board with the A's. maybe i just should have typed waay too big, lol.

I think $35-$40 could have got the same information out of her though, and makes it an easier fold. Her Raise to $10 with two caller plus blinds is $33 right? I might be missing something though.

$33 is correct

It's understandably possible she is wider here. 3 hours is a very small sample. Playing LAG it's possible to go 3 hours without playing many hands! And I don't ever experience average luck it's either run over by the deck or KQs the best hand I see in 3 hours.

3bet because we get called by worse and it's quite often at 1/2 that other players that called behind may come along behind with obviously worse hands! We can't just play one player in a 4 way pot.

The only problem here is our sizeing, and when we do make it 30-35 IT IS VERY LIKELY someone will also call us! Which obviously helps if she has a flat/fold hand in her range, which she must have sometimes! She folds, they flat and we hu against weaker hand, boom. She raises, we're beat!