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Old 02-20-2019, 09:14 AM   #1
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3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

Game is full of regulars. Action preflop but not many hands going to showdown.

$270 Effective

Hero: 30's, TAG, although may be perceived as playing a bit passively post flop(raised AQ over limpers, flop/runout was dry but didn't c bet ,hand got checked down to showdown and A high was good)

Villian: 50's MAWG regular, seems like he plays everyday. Plays a wide range and is sticky on early streets. Can make tough folds on late streets, but can also hero call.

UTG straddles $5, hero opens AQ EMP $15, V calls button, Straddle calls.

($45) Flop: T85

Straddle Checks, Hero $30, V calls.

($105) Turn: 6

Hero bets $65, V calls

($240) 5

Hero shoves $160...
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:17 AM   #2
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

I dont do this often but it seems fine to me.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:23 AM   #3
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

Looks ok, though he may not fold TX once the river pairs.

I'd probably check flop 3-way with a stationy BTN. If he checks, can delay cbet turn. If he bets, evaluate a call/fold depending on straddler.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:37 AM   #4
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

Looks fine. Either he's a believer or he's not. (I hope he is.)
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:41 AM   #5
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

Not the worst spot I've seen to TB. It depends on how stationy the straddler is. Is he c/c'ing 3 streets with K-10? It depends greatly on your own image too. Have you been caught bluffing? Do you always have it?
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:47 AM   #6
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

Not really a fan. I think you’re very reasOnably repping an overpair but I am constantly surprised by V’s inability or unwillingness to read the signs. I think a lot of times V w/ 89o looks you up here because AK missed. Oh, and more pre.

This is a move I attempt maybe once per 75 hrs or so, the all-in 3 Barrel bluff.

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Old 02-20-2019, 12:09 PM   #7
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

At these stack sizes, I don't like H line at all. H has repped overpair only to be called on two streets. River shove gives V with Tx or medium pair 5-2 odds on crying call in close to a committed situation. V hasn't found fold button yet and now shove gives him good odds to call 3rd barrel. Plenty of our raising/cb range missed (AK-AJs).

I suggest turn shove instead. I'd rather give V 3-2 odds to call a turn shove with H having likely 16 good outs on river if called and way more FE vs. V at 3-2.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:39 PM   #8
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

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At these stack sizes, I don't like H line at all. H has repped overpair only to be called on two streets. River shove gives V with Tx or medium pair 5-2 odds on crying call in close to a committed situation. V hasn't found fold button yet and now shove gives him good odds to call 3rd barrel. Plenty of our raising/cb range missed (AK-AJs).

I suggest turn shove instead. I'd rather give V 3-2 odds to call a turn shove with H having likely 16 good outs on river if called and way more FE vs. V at 3-2.
We have at most 15 outs (9 's + 3 A + 3 Q), but we should be discounting our Aces and Queens somewhat as his Tx calling range will often include AT/QT. It's probably worth discounting 1-2 outs giving us 13 outs.

I don't love these stacks for a 3 barrel either as the river bet is too small in relation to the pot and the board texture hasn't changed enough. If Tx called flop and turn he's probably calling a river bet that is only 60% more than the turn bet and being offered 2.5:1 odds.

I can get behind the turn shove even though it's a bluffy looking overbet. We'd have to take the same line with JJ+ however.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:03 PM   #9
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

i like your line against this villian whos atlst thinking about the game. if villian posted the hand instd of OP with his holding being either JJ, QQ, or A10s and were facing this line from a TAG playing passively postflop i think most would advocate a river fold facing the 160$ shove. hes not a station and hero said he can make tough folds hes not going to be thrilled calling 160$. if villian is stuck n not playing his best game i check back river otherwise well played
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:24 PM   #10
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

More pre bud
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:26 PM   #11
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i like your line against this villian whos atlst thinking about the game. if villian posted the hand instd of OP with his holding being either JJ, QQ, or A10s and were facing this line from a TAG playing passively postflop i think most would advocate a river fold facing the 160$ shove. hes not a station and hero said he can make tough folds hes not going to be thrilled calling 160$. if villian is stuck n not playing his best game i check back river otherwise well played
Yah, no. Ignoring the fact that villain should never have QQ/JJ here, folding either of those hands along with ATs would be horrendous. ATs would be a shove for value by hero if that were his holding. J9s OESD bricked out as well.

OP checked back one hand on a bad board for his range/holdings. That doesn't define his play style as a person and villain is certainly not thinking that.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:18 PM   #12
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

Don’t bluff your best Ace highs. Turn is not good for your range, just because we pick up equity doesn’t mean we automatically bet. Turn should be a check/call. Don’t bluff river
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:44 PM   #13
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

i think check river. you have sdv
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:53 PM   #14
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

Okay i ran this through a solver. The solution is not going to be perfect because of the straddles ranges, but I figured he is calling >80% of his range so I effectively ignored him and put it HU's with you and BU.

I gave you this opening range - let me know if it is reasonable:



I gave Villain this calling range



I weighted the lower offsuit broadway combos at 50%

Solution OTF



Observation 1: AQ is bet 96% of the time OTF and checked 4%. Good bet - solver prefers 75%PSB and you made it 2/3 - good enough sizing OTF

Turn is where it get's interesting



Observation 2: It only bets the turn 19% of the time - should be checking the other %. I knew in theory bluffing with your best Ace Highs is not optimal but this shows in practice as well. The 6 is very bad for your range.

You decide to bet - let's continue

River is 5, pairing the board. Usually when the board pairs we should not be bluffing. Solver agrees.



Observation 3 It is higher EV to check and sometimes win at showdown - then to bet here. Solver never bets river.
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Old 02-20-2019, 03:02 PM   #15
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

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Okay i ran this through a solver. The solution is not going to be perfect because of the straddles ranges, but I figured he is calling >80% of his range so I effectively ignored him and put it HU's with you and BU.
These are pretty awesome simulations. What solver is this?
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Old 02-20-2019, 03:24 PM   #16
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

DooDooPoker - I would widen V's BTN calling range to include at least the T8s, 97s, 86s, 75s and 64s combos. OP said he plays a wide range.

His range should have lots of pair + draws by the turn which is why I think we can shove our value hands even though it's an overbet. Theory wise we would then need some strong semi bluffs which AQ would make for a good candidate.
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Old 02-20-2019, 03:34 PM   #17
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DooDooPoker - I would widen V's BTN calling range to include at least the T8s, 97s, 86s, 75s and 64s combos. OP said he plays a wide range.

His range should have lots of pair + draws by the turn which is why I think we can shove our value hands even though it's an overbet. Theory wise we would then need some strong semi bluffs which AQ would make for a good candidate.
If I include all these hands - that would be more of an argument for a turn check not bet. The 6 helps all the hands you just listed.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:01 PM   #18
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If I include all these hands - that would be more of an argument for a turn check not bet. The 6 helps all the hands you just listed.
Yah I know, I just wanted to include them. Obviously this board favors caller's range but we need some strong semi bluffs to go along with our 30 combos of ATs+.

A-hi doesn't have much SDV so I'd rather just shove the lot of them (AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, KT, QJ). There's only 7 real bluff combos we'll have here.

That gives us 4:1 value to bluffs. If we need more bluffs we can add J9s which gives us 3:1 value to bluffs, but not everyone is opening J9s from EP.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:02 PM   #19
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If I include all these hands - that would be more of an argument for a turn check not bet. The 6 helps all the hands you just listed.

Agree with you and solver fully. Depending on how EP we are we may not even have 79 here which the villian has (he has even more if he calls 79o on the button). 6 gives a bunch more pair + SD to villain. And aggressive villain could raise that card and put you in a terrible spot.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:10 PM   #20
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I agree w solver at all steps. must be pretty good. lol
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:12 PM   #21
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Yah I know, I just wanted to include them. Obviously this board favors caller's range but we need some strong semi bluffs to go along with our 30 combos of ATs+.

A-hi doesn't have much SDV so I'd rather just shove the lot of them (AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, KT, QJ). There's only 7 real bluff combos we'll have here.

That gives us 4:1 value to bluffs. If we need more bluffs we can add J9s which gives us 3:1 value to bluffs, but not everyone is opening J9s from EP.
Don't forget hands like QJ KQ that we may want to bluff.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:14 PM   #22
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Don't forget hands like QJ KQ that we may want to bluff.
Those hands are a x/f.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:57 PM   #23
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Those hands are a x/f.
Just offering other potential bluffs. Can agree kq is a stretch but JQ with two over cards and gutter to nuts seems like a barrel
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Old 02-20-2019, 05:51 PM   #24
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Just offering other potential bluffs. Can agree kq is a stretch but JQ with two over cards and gutter to nuts seems like a barrel
The over cards carry RIO as the Tx interacts with tons of broadway combos, and the gutter is of marginal value. Maybe villain makes a sizing mistake and you can occasionally x/c with QJ but the hand's equity is quite low.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:30 AM   #25
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Re: 3 barrels bluff w. AQ. $1/2

DooDoo--What solver is that?

Thanks for the replies.

My local game is reg. heavy and I believe the pool in general overfolds the late streets.

I'm trying to adjust by barrelling more, floating, bluff raising turns, slowplaying some more hands, taking some odd lines.
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