So AQ has cost me a bunch lately, any of these overplayed?

Hand 1:
3 limpers, Hero raises $20 in SB with AQ, 2 callers.
MP is a bad reg who is scared money and easy to barrel. BTN just sat down, is young and drunk.


Flop is 772 (Pot is $69)
Hero bets $40, MP folds, BTN calls

Turn is 8 (Pot is $149)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10, Hero calls

River is 8 (Pot is $169)
Hero checks, BTN bets $25, Hero calls

Hand 2:
Very tight table that im trying to move off, unusual to get this many callers. A bunch of OMCs and Nits. Have been taking pots down preflop or with cbets a lot.

Hero raises to $15 with AQ in UTG+3
CO calls, BTN calls, SB calls

Flop is
K62 (Pot is $63)
SB checks, Hero bets $40 planning to give up if anyone calls

Hand 3:

Hero has $300, BTN covers, CO has $300 to
Hero has a tight image.
CO is a lag
BTN is a reg who usually plays higher. His a winning player but still has a lot of leaks. When he calls a raise of this size I think he puts me on AK a lot and often has a pair. I plan on giving up on a lot of non A/K/Q flops.


CO raises to $15, BTN calls $15, Hero tries to raise to $60 with AQ but puts out extra $25 chip by accident so it becomes $85. CO says that it was a misclick and folds. BTN calls $85.

Flop is
JJT (Pot is $185)
Hero bets $100, BTN calls

Turn is 3:heart ($385)
Hero checks, BTN bets all in, Hero calls $115

Hand 1: Not particularly bad but depending on read I might get away from this on turn or river. The small bets give you great odds but look like super suck bets.

Hand 2: The bet sizing is OK but 4 ways to the flop you need to check/fold more often then c-bet.

Hand 3: Pot is already bloated. I don't think c-betting is worth it. If button is decent he isn't fooling around when he calls a 1/3 effective stack preflop.

This is all 1/3 NL, right?

Hand 1:

Depends on stacks and difficulty opponents will give us postflop whether I'm raising OOP. The smaller stacks / less difficult opponents, the more I'm raising; the bigger stacks / more difficult opponents, the more I'm just limping.

I'd probably just check/fold the flop. Pairs are never folding to one bet on this flop (no scare cards to rep, and, I's flopped two pear!), and if we're not concerned about people outplaying us we can typically just fold here and move on.

I guess I call the turn bet thanks to crazy price.

I probably do the same on the river, especially if drunk guy doesn't realize 66/2x isn't a good hand any more.

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Hand 2:

I'm cool with preflop, especially considering we didn't expect this result.

4ways I'd typically give up, although if I was to cbet, this would probably be that board. If cbetting, no need to bet so much; $20 - $25 should get the job done against these guys (who are probably playing pretty fit/fold postflop). Also giving up UI.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Hand 3:

If CO is opening a wide range when folded to (noting that not everyone opens up their raising range in this spot and they still just play their cards), and Button is calling loosely, then I can get behind a 3bet preflop.

I guess after 3betting I typically would continue here although I don't feel great about it. Again, I wouldn't bet so much (no more than $75).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Hand 1. You're never good here, calling is almost mandatory though. Played fine.

Hand 2. I don't cbet this flop OOP against even against this table where FE is high. That said I don't thinkbthe cbet is bad and the sizing is spot on.

Hand 3. Total spew imo.

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in what way?

Hand 1: Fine, although don't like $20 sizing. But that is a different thread.

Hand2: cbet is spew OOP

Hand 3: not nearly enough reads (for decent eval), 3bet here is to big. River call way to light.

"I plan on giving up on a lot of non A/K/Q flops"

---3bets 1/3 of his stack pre for an spr of 1---

---flop comes J J T---

"Hero cbets 100"..of his remaining 200.


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Isn't this one of the best flops if I don't actually hit? If he has 22-99 I have 13 outs And this is a flop where I should have fold equity against under pairs because he is either drawing to 2 outs or is flipping against AQ/AK

Hand 1: Looks good. These super tiny Hellmuthian bets are so unlikely to ever be a hand, so I would call both as well, no sense in raising.

Hand 2: I don't like c-betting into 2+ players unless the board is all unders, but on this board I probably do it. I think you get the same results for half pot though.

Hand 3: I'm iffy on 3-betting with AQ but nothing wrong with it against a V who has a wider range. Obviously you weren't expecting BU to cold-call, that's generally a pretty strong hand. This is a super ugly flop where we can really only beat KQ which he may just shove on us and force us to fold the better hand. If your plan was to give up on most flops, what made you suddenly decide to go broke?

I don't understand how a JTT flop is super ugly for AQ. Giving up I meant on J73 type flops.
On the turn he is not folding to my bet so I check but once he bets I need to call once pot is so bloated.
I have 23% even against a super tight range of QJs, JTs, 66-JJ

Is he calling a 3 bet cold with 22-77?

What was your thought process on your 3 bet? I am guessing 3 betting was correct, but why where you 3 betting?

22-99 is such a small part of his range here. He calls your monster 3bet pre with 22? His range is like QQ-99, AT+, KJs+, maybe QJs. IMO. You're literally flipping(ish) against 99 and losing to every other hand he can have. You're 40% against a range that includes 22-88 and 30% against the range I assigned above.

Even if you shove he only has to win 35% of the time. He has 60% if he's calling a monster 3bet with 22 and 70% if he plays what is a more realistic (IMO) range.

The action was CO raised to $15, BTN called, In sb I raised to $85 (was meaning to raise to $60 but accidental it turned out to be $85), CO folded and BTN called.
It is not a cold call of my 3 bet. But yes his range is tighter because of my big 3 bet.


I 3 bet because I am way ahead of COs lag opening range and BTNs call range as well who just flat called the lags raise.

So you're gonna blow off 1/3 of your stack pre and then shutdown on a J 7 3 type flop? like 90% of flops are going to look like this.

Why would a decent player on the button just a call a lags $15 raise on the BTN with anything like QQ-JJ or AK/AQ?

I think pairs TT or less are very likely as live players love to put others on AK and my big raise probably made it more likely he put me on AK.

I think you're setting up a very specific setting for yourself where he HAS to have a lower pair and HAS to put you on AK. I think the reality is that this is just one possibility in a sea of options.

Even if we exclude QQ-JJ, and AQ+ you still only have 41.5% against a range that includes 22-88 and less than 35% if you remove the silliness that is 22-88. ie. You're not getting the odds on a shove.

Overall I don't understand why you're going to war for 1/3 of your stack pre, leaving yourself no way to maneuver, with AQo, from EP, against a guy described as a winning player.

I was in SB. I explained in OP raising to $85 was accidental. I meant to make it $60.

I was not targeting BTN, but rather the laggy COs open. BTNs call of my big raise is bizarre (Since his calling range of COs open is weak yet his calling range of my big raise is strong) which is why I was planning to check-fold most flops.

Yea I understand what you meant to do.

But which do you think is more likely:

A) He's calling the LAGs open IP with a wider range than usual because he's a tactical thinking player that knows how to make moves post and even if he widens his calling range he thinks he's still ahead of LAGs range.

or

B) He's calling the LAGs open IP with a tightish range because he wants to call down the LAGs potential stack off with his nutted/value hand and we're shallow enough to gii over 3 streets anyway.

Let's say it's 50/50ish and we're leaning towards a weaker flatting range here (totally possible, maybe more likely even), but as soon as he flats your 3bet it's not even close.

I think you are giving this player to much credit. Yes he is a winning player and usually plays $2/$5 but the standard is very low at this casino.

I wish I had better reads and obviously a crusher won't ever have 22-88 here yet could have AA but I think that is giving a random $1/$3 to $2/$5 reg to much credit.

Yea perhaps. I thought about it more on my walk to the beer store and this is what I came up with:

I think the 15 flat defines his range as a bit wider, but uncapped nonetheless (ie. he could be a wizard with AA that saw you were ready to put in a 3! and decided to flat/eval). The overbet mistake was unfortunate but once he calls his continuing range is narrower (and still uncapped). I take the calling of almost 1/3 of his stack pre as a much more significant piece of information than the call of 15 unless he's just a total station (but based on the OP it doesn't seem like it). So now I'm in a spot where I think we're generally behind going to the flop, not far behind, but behind. J J T. Okay. Now it feels like a decently ahead/WB situation. Decently ahead of PPs but WB any Jx Tx overpair etc. The board is narrow but it smacks his range pretty good.

But yes, overall I'm probably giving him too much credit.

Great,

Now what is your plan going ahead?
How is 3 betting OOP, going to be profitable?

Just have their range beat doesn't make 3 betting correct, or profitable.

Blindly 3 betting OOP, because we think we are ahead. Is a leak.

Most likely in this senerio, you will be OOP vs villains you don't have best reads on. And probably don't have skill advantage on.

3 betting AQ+ against a lag CO open is just so +ev here. Being OOP doesn't negate that.
Even without great reads as most of LLSNL they will call with to much trash that can't continue on the flop. Lower SPR with this hand OOP is pretty good to.


I have played poker for 10 years including 4 years as a pro online at mid-high stakes. I think I have a big skill advantage over them.
I don't have much experience live and its a slow grind to get enough hands in and often get lost even in basic low SPR situations that never came up online as is shown in this thread.

My bad for trying to here your reasoning for 3 betting.

Wasn't aware you where an online wizard.

Great sizing!!!
Great cbet!!!
Nice range analysis for his calling range, both pre and post.


F.y.i
SPR on live poker 3 bets is alot different. Ranges are not even remotely the same. 3betting online and 3 betting live (1/2,1/3,2/5), are completely different.

Having range advantage with low SPR OOP isn't going to print money at 1/3