V: Loose. Never 3! preflop unless with AA, KK, QQ JJ. Cold calls a raise with very speculative and questionable hands. (J8s, 58o, KTo, 92s, etc) Donks out draws OOP. Raises draws in position. Not afraid to gamble.

H: Has been 3 betting in position all day long. Hero 3 betted V with 24s and fired all 3 streets on A4JTJ board and V check called with A5. Hero 3 betted V again with 37s and flopped flush. Flashed a 3 while folding and V looked disgusted.

Hero has about $1000 and V covers.

Preflop:
V raises to 20, BTN calls. Hero 3! to 100 with AA. V calls. BTN folds.

Flop: $220
656hh

Hero bets $200, V calls.

Turn: $620
6564hhss

Hero bets $350. V shoves. Hero has about $300 left to call. Call and prays the villain has 77, 33, A7hh, A7ss, A3hh, A3ss? Hero only has a bluff catcher.

You make excellent reads about his play style (all of which are bad tendencies) however you make no points about his initial raising. If he was the initial raiser there are plenty of value hands you are crushing not just bluffs, especially considering he is getting sick of you 3 betting.

I would say as he was the initial raiser it is highly unlikely he shows up here with a made hand ie- 78, or a 6. Much more likely he has 99-KK or a combo draw and is getting sticky after your 3bets.

Honestly IMHO if your gonna 3bet light and show it, this is the kind of situation you want to get in where people are going to stack off way lighter, and you betting 200 into 220 on the flop your obviously wanting to play for stacks. I would not be suprised if he shows up with TT or JJ here. I think your crazy to do that for your image and not call this off, if he has a 6 or 55 or 78 or something ******ed dont sweat it, i go broke here too. I think its well played all the way through and a call is mandatory here.

Folding AA in 3b pots on 6-high boards when viewed as a maniac. Ummmmm....

99 - KK would have played back at me preflop if villain was tired of my 3 betting, no?

There are people out there who take less-variant route when deep stack playing. So perhaps the villain wanted to take the safer route but the board is such a good board for his hand and mine and the fact that the villain didnt shove on the board makes me think that I only have a bluff catcher.

call, folding here would be crazy. If he can't get it in with overpairs or draws then maybe your flop and turn line are bad but I think it's all fine.

I think he raises a 6 in flop and unlikely to have turned straight since he opened. either way you can't fold with the stacks and images. nh

This would be an interesting hand with JJ.

Anybody puke folding JJ here?

V shouldn't be raising pre with anything that hits that board. My guess is he has AKs or an overpair. Could possibly have a set but that's life.

Folding would be absolutely mental.

When I have an bluff-catcher like aces, I bet pot on the flop, and shove the turn.

I don't really understand almost potting the flop and then bet folding for half your stack on the turn. That would never cross my mind, no matter what cards he showed me after I shoved (or bet/called) the turn.

If you think he folds all hands worse than yours to a pot bet then potting the flop is insane, but if you do pot the flop then check-fold the turn. How could bet folding possibly make any sense?

This.


I feel like you answer your own question:
You said it yourself - he's not 3b any of those hands and so he's most certainly not 4b them. With 77-KK still in his range and saying he raises draws IP (while not afraid to gamble), how can you fold this turn when another FD appears and gives more outs to hands like 77/88/33/A7s/A8s/A3s?

Grunch.

You made your bed... now you have to lie in it. Definitely can't fold given the board/action/odds. Villain can have worse over pairs. FWIW your 3bets and barrels with 5 high are probably going to be complete spews the majority of the time. Why are you 3betting air when they won't fold anything? You are exploiting yourself by doing so.

I know that's why I kept driving myself nuts with the decision. I felt like the V wouldn't gamble like that because we are 200 BB deep and the fact that he shoved all in after I bet just enough on the turn and committing myself to the hand and cannot be bluffed out tells me he is super strong.

If he didn't come over the top preflop then obviously he has a hand that is worth playing for entire stack since we are 200 BB deep. If he was gambling, he would have came over the top, (hands like QQ, JJ, TT, 99 and putting me on AK or something)

Villain loves to gamble when its 60BB (a buy in or so) but flipping for 200 BB is out of is league.

I think im folding JJ for sure and even possibly QQ, and its not as much of a (puke) fold as you would think, reason being he made it 100pre on 20. Not much is coming along there even if your a 3betting monkey with less than 99 or TT. Thats why i think his range is 99-KK but much more likely on the higher end, and if you have JJ he now can have AA.

So yes, happy fold JJ, cry fold QQ

There is this remote possibility the villain decided to "trap" hero with a hand like KK or QQ...? It may be out of character, but based on history is a possibilitty. I wouldnt be surprised if the villain shows KK here

doubt KK flats pre, maybe, but certainly QQ/JJ/1010

call. Too many worse hands and draws to fold to.

Easy call if reads are correct,he would raise a 6 OTF and an OESD,snap and expect to see a lot of pairs you beat and pair plus str8 draws.

you don't only beat a bluff catcher, you beat a ton of combo draws and other weird hands.

im calling here

I'm calling here. If he played AA slow, that's a bummer but given that he raised preflop then flat called your 3!, he can easily have 77-QQ and think it's the nuts based on your image.
Im not folding with AA, this size pot, this board, and this size raise.

I think if there wasn't 2 flush draws on the turn then you can fold.

Call then? Its hard because i feel like we are beat. We are playing vs a nit. And just because we have got om his nerves doesnt mean he's adjusting. After we bet the turn we need to call. Maybe check turn for pot control next time.

However!
The fact that he called you're 3 bet means that his range is probably premiums like 99 -QQ. With 2 sixes on board etc. Makes it less likely he has one too.
So call, we are getting good odds after we made good odds by betting turn.

4 changes very little unless he has exactly 44 or 78. Does he call 5x 3 bets w/ either of these types? Maybe do to stack depth?

In any case you basically bet pot otf and he called, I feel like 44 is a stretch, so your behind 78, 6x, unlikely 55. he's repping an extremely thin value range. keep in mind you've shown down terrible hands two previous times that you 3 bet him.

Yes AA is a bluff catcher but it's the best bluff catcher, you've put in over half your stack, villain's high(not really important) and wants to beat you in a pot. there are two fd's out now, any 7 is open ended, he can have a fair amount of draws (sd's, fd's even a hand like 89s) but his bet seems more like a protection raise imo, 77-JJ makes sense

I'm calling and feeling pretty good about it. He can and will make this bet with a bunch of hands that you have crushed. I can only come up w/ like 10 combos that have you beat, four 78s, two 67s, two A6s(?) two 56s(?) does he set mine w/ 55? then jam w/ a FH when you've done nothing but 3!/bet/bet? he never ever raises 66, he doesn't call a psb otf w/ 44. I couldn't get away from AA in this spot.

Thanks for the feedback guys.

I did end up making a...crying call.