hero 150bb OTB
v has me covered in the sb


Game is TAG with 2 players that are loose passive. But villian in this hand is a solid TAG.

Solid TAG raaises to 20 and there are 2 other callers and I call OTB with K7s. Small and big also call

. Flop comes Q37 with 2 spades. It is checked around and I bet 55 in to 100 pot and get 1 caller, the small blind.

. T is another 7 and V bets 60 into 210 pot so I am getting the pot odds alone to call, 60 to win 260, so I view this bet as either a suck bet or another flush draw and call.

River is the As and v bets pot and I go all in for 350 more and he shows 73 for a full house.

I obviously made a mistake here and I know I should have just called his river bet because what hands that I beat are going to call a river shove. trips will fold as will most, if not all of the flushes.

I suppose I am just posting this to confirm what I already think, but any additional thoughts would be appreciated.

don't post results in the future, it makes for a better discussion. stickies explain how to format a HH properly.

turn and river actions are really dependent on the opponent. i'd sometimes raise turn for value, sometimes call. and sometimes i'd call river, sometimes i'd shove. really don't know the best move without more info.

if you don't think he is calling a shove otr with a weaker flush or a 7, then a shove is bad

fold pre. please

sb is not a 'solid tag' if he's defending 73o

im usually raising turn as you cant give V any credible range that has you crushed plus you have redraw equity

with V spazzing on river, i might just call, but again, usually shoving here

dont be so results oriented

basically what fogo said, use your reads on V to determine whether calling or raising is best

+1 to all this. Couldn't have said it any better.

PF fold or sometimes 3bet to 90-100 if players can fold to 3bets and your image is good for that.

Flop is fine.

On the turn villain shouldn't have fh here if he is solid tag - Q7/73 shouldn't be in his range and he has to raise on the flop with 33/77 with so many villains left to call and fd on the flop. So I put him either on Qx, fd, 7x - sometimes A7, but there are more 76,78 hands and again, A7o shouldn't be in his hand.

On the river I go allin or call depending on villains - if they can't fold trips or smaller flush, I shove.

The results should now only tell you, that you made mistake when you labeled villain as TAG and also, that you shouldn't call K7s on the BTN in a hand where could be 6 players on the flop. What would you do on the flop like Kc8s3d if let's say utg bets 75? Or when someone calls that bet etc. It will be just horrible spot most of the time even if you will have something on the flop.

Yes, all has been said. You don´t know what TAG is, you just heard the acronym and repeated it. Don´t use it again.

Don´t say "solid TAG". Say what range of hands he might have. That is how you should think, and once you have those hands written down in front of you, you will ask yourself, "why the hell am I calling this raise with K7s".

When someone makes a 2 card flush at 1/2. They don´t fold.

When someone makes trips, they don´t fold.

They may not like it, and tell you they know you have them beat, but they don´t fold.

Fold preflop and avoid the whole situation.

In response to the title of your post, I usually don't let that happen.

As played I'm certainly jamming for value at this point, lol at the idea of someone folding trips or a weaker flush.

You should not draw to anything on a paired board unless you play this game for fun.
Any sort of drawing implies you are behind and don't have a hand yet. Especially in NL drawing means "death" but if some dude draws on a paired board is like disregarding to possibly drawing dead. Actually, drawing is designed for limit where it costs only one bet. In NL it can cost you the entire stack and that's our secret of making a living playing cards. Thanks to the many thousands of tourists coming to Vegas for couple days to have fun and pay some cards. They cannot lay down hands and they go for every draw that's on the board. Usually losing all theirs money by the time comes to go back home to theirs 9 to 5 jobs .., lol, lol ..,


AK

Fold or 3bet pf, that is where the question is

Thank you for all the responses.

I agree that folding PF in this spot is the correct play and doing so would have avoided these tough decisions.

Thinking through the hand I realized that when he made the small bet on the turn he really polarized his range, he either already had a full house or he was drawing. He would have made a more substantial bet if he had trips because players at this level are loathe to allow a player the right price to draw.

With regard to my labeling player as a solid TAG, I agree that he does not play this hand if he was a TAG, I labeled him this way because he was not loose passive or a nit, nor was he a LAG. Obviously these player profiles are not exact, but that is a semantic issue. In the future I will not label someone with this moniker so quickly.

If you want to win in NL then only play above 10 (the Broadways) and they have gap between then they got to be suited. Go under 10 and only play 76s, 65s and 54s and pairs from 66+. Also you can play AXs. Don't settle for anything less. Also don't call raises with dominated hands no matter if they're suited. Your K7s will flop most of the time one pair that will be no good and you waste your money. J10s+ in position volume pots with deep stacks and as I said the medium and small suited connectors. Play hands that can flop the nuts or both cards got to be live. Don't mess with the trouble hands.

But to play all the above you got to play them well. You understand what it means to "play well" in NL poker?

AK

Comes across as arrogant and condescending.

Also advice is contradictory and much too general to be useful.

You cannot prohibit calling raises with dominated hands, then say, "oh, Axs and JTs are fine of course".