V (covers)-regular in this game, early 20's, still in school, fairly active+aggro, a mix of raising and limping pre, caught bluffing rivers (last few times I played at the same game). We have some history-I 3bet his opens a few times, V usually flats or folds, only time he 4bet was in a 3-handed pot, where he opened in the CO, I 3bet OTB, sb coldcalls, V 4bets, I fold (V had AA).

H (600)-regular in this game, late 20's, plays a mix of TAG/LAG, winning player in this game, decent image in this session so far, haven't been caught bluffing, lost an all-in pot to a short stack earlier, hovering around even.

OTTH

PF: 1 limp in EP, folds to V in MP who raises to 30, folds to H OTB with AJo who 3bets to 80, folds to V who calls.

Flop($173): Q53
V checks, H bets 90, V calls (decent flop for our range, so I bet with the intention to fire most turns to get him off 77-JJ like pps)

Turn($353): 5
V checks, H bets 125, V calls (at this point, I'm planning on shutting on most rivers)

River($603): K
V checks, H shoves for $300ish (probably one of the better rivers for our range)

Not thrilled about the bet sizing I used in this hand. Thoughts on all streets welcome. Thanks!

Might be helpful if you explain the logic behind your 3B pre with AJo.

Given how much history you have with him, your lines are very villain dependent. Firing a 2nd bullet on the turn is only going to work if he's typically floating flops. The texture has not changed at all on the turn. Much easier to get him off these hands if a K or A comes on the turn.

I don't like the river shove given stack sizes. Are you trying to rep AK here? Does villain see you as the type that will fire two bullets with AK? The only hand you're really repping here is AA. I don't see any other hands that fit.

Overall I really think you should lay out some of your logic for each.

I 3bet pre with AJo OTB because he opens fairly wide and I wanted to isolate with a hand that is likely ahead. I don't really like calling and have this hand go multi-way.

His likely hands that get to the turn are all his pps and Qx. My reason for betting here was to get him off all his pps JJ and lower.

When he makes it 6x pre, I just flat or fold.

Post is fine. Flop can be smaller since it is dry, and you can as a result bet bigger on turn.

He can rep more than AA. He as AA/KK/QQ/Axcc for value. Im assuming you posted this because you got called down??

Whether the A or J are a is really important.

You actually have some ok sdv otr

Thanks for your response. Yes, I did get called down.

I disagree somewhat. QQ I discount somewhat given hero fired on both flop and turn with relatively dry boards, KK is possible but K on the river removes 3 combos. Also, if he's repping AXcc, then this is an easy call by the villain.

I don't hate this line, but I really think given stack sizes and reads, V can call this down. You're just hoping he has a club draw, and if he does, why aren't you just checking down on the river as you do have SDV.

QQ is fine to go to go small OTT. We have 6 AA, 3 KK, 3 QQ. Its realistic we play it this way given the total turn brick. We also have AKcc, and KQs if we 3-bet that.

My bad, thought river was a club. But we dont really have much bluffs in our range and I think our opponent made a -EV call vs our overall range.

Hero is repping AKcc, A5s, QQ, KK, AA for values. It is wider than just AA

What is the suit of AJo here?

Don't completely remember, but it was . AJ or AJ

Pre: Why are you isoing a good young player w moves w a trouble hand?
Fold pre? ISO or mway w the whales around?


Post:
Sizing works for a bluff as he has a chance to fold river. Still, not sure what in his range calls turn and folds river except an FD, if you got called by something sick like 44 from this Vol descrip you prob have some live tells, so it's not about the cards.
That said, w the missed FD around, i would just check river and pray A high wins because that can increase villain stickiness.




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My only thought here is that if V showed you worse than AQhh, then you're bluffing too much and in turn nowhere near deep enough to execute what is a pretty believable value line/sizing.

Turn is too small. Turn needs to be ~$250 or so.

I feel that your flop and turn bet were too small.

Now, I am more than likely OTB just flating here pre. I don't like this line in general and don't think this is a good board to bluff on. And if I'm the V I'm not going to put a 5 or a 3 in your range. Your bets looked weak. What did he end up showing down with?


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*Grunch*

Given reads, I don't see any obvious leak (under/over folding or under/over bluffing). The only thing I see is he may not have the under bluffing leak since you've at least seen a few bluffs from him. So in that case, I would just play it safe by using a balanced strategy where we don't under/over fold or under/over bluff.

So a balanced 3-bet range pre would be something like 40% very strong value, 60% bluffs. I don't think the limper really should affect us that much (our situation is slightly worse though since there's a tiny chance he limped AA-KK).

I'd 3-bet AA-QQ and AKs = 22 combos for value. Now for the bluff part, it's very important you carefully select ~33 bluff combos in a way that doesn't have you over bluffing by 3-betting way over 33 combos. I.e. if you have no combos memorized to use, you might end up just thinking "okay I'll 3-bet Ace rag suited, AJo, and some medium SCs as bluffs)" but this would be overbluffing.

I'd use something like AJo, A5s, A4s, A3s, 108s, 97s = 32 combos as bluffs.

Then on this flop, bet AA, KK, AK for value and A4s, A3s, AJo (with A), 108, 97 as a bluff. Then on this turn, bet AA and KK for value and bet AK, A4s, 108, 97 as a bluff.

It looks like on the turn, you deviated from balanced to overbluffing, as AJo has almost no equity making it a bad bluff hand. This is fine to exploit V if he has a leak of overfolding, but by doing it you allow V to exploit you by either playing a balanced strategy or by underfolding.

I didn't see anything in the read that says V has an overfolding leak, so I think your line is bad.

Not gonna lie, but this is true ^^. You are overbluffing this spot, and AJ is probably one of the worst hands to keep firing off with. If you had A club and the turn was a club, it'd be fine. The 5 pairing the board is one of the worst cards to barrel. Nothing is ever folding except smaller pairs, which may not fold anyway to the small bet.

I also don't like the 3-bet pre. AJ doesn't do well vs a 3-bet calling range, doesn't flop a ton of equity/draws to barrel at, etc.

Not sure why you aren't 3-betting AKo for value though. Also not sure why you are using suited gap connectors instead of suited connectors, which play much better than gaps.

Mino and I on exact same page w AJ pre.

And I'm still waiting for an explanation of why the hell we are ISOIng a good player without a super-premium holding? That seems the biggest leak to me, even bigger than all the specific reasons w AJo sucks a fat penis vs 3betting and 3bet calling ranges.

Other choices include a fold, or a preflop call-behind to try and get the marks in the hand. Fish are RIO postflop w ATC!


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Nice post

I am also on the "flat AJo pre here and don't iso the good player" train.

I think this line looks strong in a vacuum, but from V's perspective depends a lot on your image and what V thinks your range looks like/how capable you are of bluffing. Since you find him competent, and you are winning in the game, he probably thinks you are also competent.

One step further lol; he probably thinks that you think that he is a good player, and capable of folding to a third barrel here. This line should include lots of suited A high combos. Against a lot of other regulars I am making the call in his spot with a Q when the flush misses. Stacks aren't super deep and it's not a bad price you're offering.

Lmao a call here by villain is terrible. What kind of bluffs does he expect us to have? Literally A4cc/AJcc? AJcc even calls pre a lot vs MP open. We have so much value vs bluffs here, and people who say that the river call is good or that they would call the river is being results orientated.

How can you assign us a bluffing range so narrow that it doesn't come close to even including the hand we have? That's some real wizardry.

If we have AJo here then clearly we can have quite a lot of bluffs here, and I am unsure how we have a very wide value range here either.

Preflop is a flat. AJ does well enough against his MP opening range and we are in position. If you want to 3b him light then I would much rather do it with suited connectors or suited broadways.

Ok name a ton of bluffs we should have in this spot vs value then. The fact that OP spazzed with AJ is itrelevant. If he has AJ here he also has all combos of AK that shove the river for value, but still AK/AJ arent hands that should barrel anyway and be in our range.

And just because we can have bluffs in this hand does not necessarily mean we 3-barrel 100% every combo of it. The 5 is a terrible card to barrel, and most would just give up on the river once the clubs brick. A call here in general, unless you play against a balanced player or super aggro maniac, is just -EV.

Our value range is pretty wide. KQs if we 3-bet pre, A5s, AKcc, QQ, KK, AA.

I never advocated a 3-bet. It's call or fold.

+1

A lot of people will bluff here but not ever AQ for value, and nearly never a hand like TT.

As I said earlier if he got called super light, I'm guessing he is readable, live. and given the whole post, overly bluffy or not thin value betting much here, making him very polarized w a river bet and thus making a light call down easier (prob assisted by a live tell).

All because of ****ty plan A: ISOLATE THe GOOD PLAYER?!?!?!
Dude, preflop has 1 goal, maximize whales/fish that you see a flop w.




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For all the people asking-V showed up with AA OTR. Thanks for all the comments!