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3/5 NL: bottom set faces raise all in on turn 3/5 NL: bottom set faces raise all in on turn

10-10-2015 , 02:46 PM
3/5 NL buy in 300- 1000

V - early 30s asian guy,l. Regular, knows every dealer but first time play with hero. Tight(not very active) Wait for a good hand, raise and take down postflop, no show down yet.
H - tight(card dead for like 7 hours). Limp and call raise to see flop with sc and pairs. Fold post flop most times.

V $1200 - MP
H $770 - button

Pre flop: one limper, V raises to 35 in MP, calling station calls hero calls on button with 77

FLOP(117): As7sQc( yeah!! First set in 7 hours session)
V checks, calling station checks, hero bets $45. V calls. Calling station calls

Thought:
V didn't c bet. I put him on JJ KK TT or maybe flopped monster. Calling station can have anything.

Size here is a little small. Hero doesn't want to scare them.

TURN(252): Kh
The card hero doesn't want to see. It may hit V's range

V checks. Calling station bets 70. Hero re-raises to 220. V raise to 720. Calling station folds. Hero???

Can you fold here?
Spoiler:

Hero tanks, tanks and asks V if he has set Q or set K, but called the rer-raise.

Last edited by ThrirtyThree; 10-10-2015 at 02:55 PM.
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10-10-2015 , 02:54 PM
You think villain ck/cold calls flop with KK?

I tend to range villains as [AA, QQ, AQ] in this spot and gii.

edit: there's what, $1110 in middle that we can win and hero has to call off like $470? Even if KK and JTs are also in V's range then it's closer, but we cawl.

Last edited by AllJackedUp; 10-10-2015 at 03:01 PM.
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10-10-2015 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
You think villain ck/cold calls flop with KK?

I tend to range villains as [AA, QQ, AQ] in this spot and gii.

edit: there's what, $1110 in middle that we can win and hero has to call off like $470? Even if KK and JTs are also in V's range then it's closer, but we cawl.
Yeah。it's possible. V may think I have the position and try to steal the pot when check to me. V seems like to float and bet big against the weak player
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10-10-2015 , 04:31 PM
Bet larger on flop (@80-100)...you have two passive calling stations so let them do what they do and call down when behind. Flop smacks their range in this spot though and not likely to induce a raise from these players so make a legitimate bet.

As played, given description of V and you showing significant strength on turn as well...I'd find a fold.
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10-11-2015 , 10:57 AM
Call. What is calling station's stack size?
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10-11-2015 , 12:27 PM
It's a cooler and we probably can't fold, but this line from V is AA like almost always. Maybe KK if he wanted to peel the flop.
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10-11-2015 , 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThrirtyThree
3/5 NL buy in 300- 1000

V - early 30s asian guy,l. Regular, knows every dealer but first time play with hero. Tight(not very active) Wait for a good hand, raise and take down postflop, no show down yet.
H - loose passive post flop, fit or fold post flop. Generally exploitable with small cBets on uncordinated or paired board (card dead for like 7 hours). Limp and call raise to see flop with sc and pairs. Fold post flop most times.
Not to be mean, but this what this post should really be reading.

Beyond that leak that you have now identified lets talk about he hand.

The flop sizing is WAY to small. This board has (almost) literally 100+ worse combos of hands that villains will likely play that will call our bets here.
We can bet much bigger here for fat boner inspiring value here.

I would go something around $80 but I could get behind anything from $65 to $110 depending on table dynamics and what sorts of bets have been getting called at the table and what sort of trash hands people have been showing up with after they call these bets.

Station betting out on the turn is likely a straight or two pair. Plenty of two pair combos here + our equity against straights so I'm ok raising here. But I would likely raise to $300 or so. Make it eaisier to shove the river (easier as in he will be more likely to call).

One V1 ships over top, this isn't good for us at all. Do we really think that he will be going crazy with AK/AQ here after checking twice? It is possible, but AA/KK/QQ, and weirdly played JTs seem more likely here.

It's close, but I suspect it might be a fold.
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10-11-2015 , 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
You think villain ck/cold calls flop with KK?

I tend to range villains as [AA, QQ, AQ] in this spot and gii.

edit: there's what, $1110 in middle that we can win and hero has to call off like $470? Even if KK and JTs are also in V's range then it's closer, but we cawl.
V pretty much has to gii in here with AQ (or AK) for this to be profitable.
If he only gii with AA, KK, QQ, JTs, JTo then we are 15% to win.
If he gii with AA, QQ, JTs, JTo, we are 17%.
If he only has AA, QQ, AQs, JTs, and JTo, we are 23%.

However, if he gii with AA, QQ, AQs, AQo, JTs, JTo we are tidy 38% to win and folding would be a pretty serious mistake (on the order of $150 in EV).

So the real question is why would V flop top two and wait until the turn to go nuts when a station has donked out and someone else has raised to then goham on the hand? I think even to pair would slow down some here given the action.

I think AQ is a pretty meh small part of his range, and we are often going to be shown a better hand here.
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10-11-2015 , 09:10 PM
Flop bet size is an atrocity.

Gii here. AK and AQ are possible
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10-12-2015 , 01:42 AM
The flop size is terrible and why did you put in spoilers what you put in the spoilers. I flop a set against a calling station, lets bet it tiny? Does not compute.

As played probably puke folding.
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