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10-12-2015 , 02:37 PM

ThrirtyThree

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3/5 NL buy in 300- 1000

V(700, BB) - 60s white man. Seems like OMC type. Saw him limps QQ utg ,bet out on low board but folds to a big raise. limps or call standard raise with AK AQ.

V(600, MP) - Tourist. Play tight.

H($1300,BTN) - Card dead. Probably weak tight.

Pre flop: MP limps, Hero raises to $30 with AsJs. V calls on BB, MP calls

FLOP(97): Ac2s6h

V checks, Mp bets $30. Hero raises to $80. V calls. MP folds

TURN(257): 5d

V bets $100. Hero????

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10-12-2015 , 02:42 PM

KKingDavid

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 591

Simple. V has what he thinks is the best hand, despite MP & Hero both betting / raising flop. Which means it probably is best.

Just fold. No need to over think this one. Probably set of 666s or 222s. Definitely better than TPGK.

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10-12-2015 , 02:42 PM

fitzthetaxman

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folds.

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10-12-2015 , 02:53 PM

JackInDaCrak

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next time hit running spades, the only way you'll win more than a third of this player's stack with this hand

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10-12-2015 , 04:23 PM

JamesFrancis

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Pretty sure I'd just flat this pre and play it in position, depending on how active I've been. You're perfectly happy to see the flop in position.

As played you have to fold.

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10-12-2015 , 04:32 PM

mtagliaf

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what's the purpose of your flop raise? Are you getting better to call? Worse to fold?

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10-12-2015 , 04:51 PM

Nozsr

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OMC that's me.

You're beat.

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10-12-2015 , 10:15 PM

shpanko

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Fold. OMC has better than AJ to donk into a flop raisor.

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10-13-2015 , 12:48 AM

matzah_ball

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Flat flop. Easy fold now.

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Originally Posted by JamesFrancis

Pretty sure I'd just flat this pre and play it in position, depending on how active I've been. You're perfectly happy to see the flop in position.

You limp AJs on the BTN? Come on man.

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10-13-2015 , 03:39 AM

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kookiemonster

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grunch

flop raise is meh. I think it is a WAWB spot.

Easy fold OTT. Old man has Aces up, a set, maybe AK. He never donks into strength there with AJs. AQ is even doubtful. I'd fold AQ here also.

I'd be thinking about folding AK here actually. Here's why:

Board: Ac2s6h5d
Equity Win Tie
MP2 60.71% 50.00% 10.71% { AA, 66-55, 22, AQs+, A6s-A5s, A2s, AQo+ }
MP3 39.29% 28.57% 10.71% { AKs, AKo }

Board: Ac2s6h5d
Equity Win Tie
MP2 82.27% 67.27% 15.00% { AA, 66-55, 22, AKs, A6s-A5s, A2s, AKo }
MP3 17.73% 2.73% 15.00% { AKs, AKo }

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10-13-2015 , 03:49 AM

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kookiemonster

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Originally Posted by JamesFrancis

Pretty sure I'd just flat this pre and play it in position

Deep game, likely fit n folder open limps in MP, we have an OMC in BB, I'm opening my entire range from the button here. Any playable hand is good enough to raise here IMO. Hands like 97s and worse are easy easy raises here.

Maybe I'm missing something?

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10-13-2015 , 04:32 AM

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MadamIamAdam

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Pre is std. Flop can be a call or a raise esp with that meh donk size. As played, fold turn

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10-13-2015 , 06:40 AM

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mtagliaf

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Originally Posted by MadamIamAdam

Pre is std. Flop can be a call or a raise esp with that meh donk size. As played, fold turn

again, interested in hearing the purpose of such a raise, if your read is the meh size means he's weak.

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10-13-2015 , 07:13 AM

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AbqDave

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Whoa! Did somebody slip some DHEA into the old feller's coffee, or did he come up with a winner?

Pre: I'm with KM, this is a mondo-strong hand, well well worth a raise against both of these tight suckas, especially with hero's rep. Just remember, at any point along the way you might be dealing with the potential you hand could be increasing or decreasing in value, fe (if any) and io (ditto) need to be considered as part of the total package at every step. Bring your A game.

OTF: nononononowatchforthecheckraisegyaaaah man you're killin me

OTT: duh fold. More interesting question in my mind is, what do we do if that had been 5h? Not sure what I'd do.

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10-13-2015 , 07:25 AM

#15

playertee

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I'm with the flat flop camp. OMC won't donkey twice unless he had you beat. It feels like a raise to know where you're at kinda thing. You don't have to do that, villain's line is giving you all the information you need.

So flat the flop and see a turn, if he checks, his range is capped to 99+ and AT+, now you can bet the turn and maybe bet the river if checks again. However if he bets the turn, you just fold. He's very unlikely to bet anything less than AK ott

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10-13-2015 , 07:37 AM

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Playbig2000

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Call flop and fold the turn.

Our hand isn't strong enough to raise the flop (hopefully you were folding to a 3bet?)

Also, if you did read the donk bet as weak, why would you want to fold him out (which you did)?

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10-13-2015 , 07:43 AM

#17

BadlyBeaten

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The good news, it's possible you're ahead. The bad news, it'll cost you at least a benjamin to find out.

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10-13-2015 , 11:50 AM

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surviva316

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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten

The good news, it's possible you're ahead.

I think it almost literally isn't possible.

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10-13-2015 , 11:57 AM

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surviva316

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When an OMC likes his hand this much, your options are to:

1) Have the nuts or something very close to it,

2) Fold, or

3) Bluff.

If this were headsup and there were two of ANY suit out there, we could maybe flat with the intention of bombing a 4-straight/3-flushed river. Those are the sorts of thought processes we need to have for continuing against OMC here. It's bad to consider calling here on the hope that maybe TP3K is any good.

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10-13-2015 , 01:11 PM

#20

BadlyBeaten

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Originally Posted by surviva316

I think it almost literally isn't possible.

No, it's definitely possible.

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10-13-2015 , 01:19 PM

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DeathCabForTootie

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Originally Posted by mtagliaf

what's the purpose of your flop raise? Are you getting better to call? Worse to fold?

I agree 100%. Flop raise is not good.

AP, fold turn, OMC isn't messing around.

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