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Old 05-28-2010, 05:40 PM   #1
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3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

3-5 Nl game with 300 bi. Hero has a ight image, and has been at table for 3 orbits or so. V1 is very weak loose getting lucky calling down with bottom pair, V2 is a quiet asian guy, doesnt speak much english, hasnt really played a pot yet. V! has 1000, V2 350ish

Pre flop Hero is dealt AQs
V1 makes it 30 from utg, hero calls in mid position, V2 makes it 95, V1 calls, hero?

I figure Im behind V2, and V1 could have anything and im leaning closer to nothing as he will call anything pre
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Old 05-28-2010, 06:01 PM   #2
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

I would snapfold here. I would also fold AK. Probably folding jacks also without a spewy read considering it is live. Queens would be my cutoff hand.
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Old 05-28-2010, 06:13 PM   #3
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

Easy fold. Just too many hands you're crushed by and stuck in the middle.
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Old 05-28-2010, 06:23 PM   #4
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

Easy fold. Quiet player who hasn't played a hand cold 3bets = AA, maybe KK.
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Old 05-28-2010, 10:53 PM   #5
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

I think venice is over estimating his 3betting range. If he is a thinking player then this is a classic squeeze situation, and probably also noticed that V1 is very spewy and is trying to get value from his calling down with awful hands. 99+ and AQ/maybe AJs+, AKo. I prob put him on a made hand like TT or JJ since this seems much more like a raise for value if he is paying attention to V1's play, with QQ or AA very unlikely due to card removal. That being said, a flat call here out of position seems like a very bad play, even with V1 in the hand. Either 4bet AI or fold but i lean much toward fold since you havent seen a hand played by V2 since you can find better spots and better opponents to play vs.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:14 PM   #6
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

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I would snapfold here. I would also fold AK. Probably folding jacks also without a spewy read considering it is live. Queens would be my cutoff hand.
AKs > QQ imho
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:51 AM   #7
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I think venice is over estimating his 3betting range.
A player has gone three orbits without playing a hand isn't squeezing. Nits don't squeeze light.
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Old 05-29-2010, 11:32 AM   #8
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

So throw AK and QQ into venice's range... you're still toast. Add JJ, yep, still toast. If I'm not tilting this is a easy fold.
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Old 05-29-2010, 04:02 PM   #9
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A player has gone three orbits without playing a hand isn't squeezing. Nits don't squeeze light.
I don't think JJ is squeezing light, but maybe im just not nitty enough? I also see a difference in not playing a hand vs not playing a pot. Anyways i suggested a fold as well i just don't put V2 on such a narrow range because in the long run it will lose you money.
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Old 05-29-2010, 04:53 PM   #10
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

Not much more to add other than i would also fold
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Old 05-29-2010, 04:55 PM   #11
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

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Old 05-29-2010, 05:46 PM   #12
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

ez fold here, but i wonder what you would do with AKss if you looked
down and saw it.
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Old 05-29-2010, 06:05 PM   #13
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

AKss 60bb deep, I might stick it in here. Flipping with QQ now and less combos of AA and KK now. If we have some fold equity I might do it, but that seems doubtful.
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:35 PM   #14
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

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AKss 60bb deep, I might stick it in here. Flipping with QQ now and less combos of AA and KK now. If we have some fold equity I might do it, but that seems doubtful.

Personally i think many of the thought patterns in online 6max do not apply in full ring live. One thought is that for 50bb we will just ship it and see what happens with AK etc. Reason being, is that this Asian guy is 3 betting most likely a range of.....

half the JJ combos
All of the QQ
All of the KK
All of the AA
Half the AK combos maybe (remember he is quiet type asian guy)

We have 39% equity vs this range and this range could even be too wide. My guess is we have 39% at the very best case.

So no matter the stacksize, my opinion is that we are a dog regardless if it is for 40bb or 100bb or more.
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:59 AM   #15
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Re: 3-5 NL AQ suited facing 3 bet pre

Why didn't you raise to isolate? It would also have made your decision to fold easier.
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