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01-16-2018 , 04:30 AM
Playing $2/$3/$5NL at full ring table. I have $400. Villain covers me. I have played for a long time (about 3 hours) and have been running pretty dry. Villain is a mid 30s Asian guy. Pretty standard TAG.

OTTH:

Cutoff opens for $30. Villain in the SB 3-bets to $70. I get dealt AcKd in BB.

My first question is what to do here. I considered 4-betting to isolate. Given his really tiny 3-bet, I was worried if I just called here, cutoff would come along as well.

I ended up calling and cutoff folded anyway so heads up to the flop.

Flop ($172): Ks 8d 7h

Villain leads out for $80.

Hero?

Usually, I would raise but this guy seemed fairly tight. I didn't want to chase him away. Wanted to know what you guys think about just calling here and trying to induce a bet from Villain on the turn.
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01-16-2018 , 05:13 AM
As played i think a just call in position to keep his range as wide as possible is a very viable option. We dont seem to have very good knowledge about villains 3 betting range, no? Depending on that knowledge i would 4 bet a decent percentage of the time, but also have some flats with AK like you did here. Board is also pretty dry, rainbow with one big facecard- so i lean towards a flat here to utilize position.

If villain have the top of his range (AA, KK, AK),he isnt going anywhere either way, so i think we should aim to try and squeeze some more money out of the weaker parts of his range. Such as underpairs to the K like 1010-JJ and QQ, maybe a hand like KQ/KJ suited if he 3 bets those.
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01-16-2018 , 08:35 AM
I prefer just folding to the 3bet preflop, or if you think SB is reraising light make it 200 and be prepared to get it in.
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01-16-2018 , 10:41 AM
is he a standard TAG meaning he's not getting out of line and will only 3bet premium hands?

Nothing wrong with folding if that's the case.

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli999
Usually, I would raise but this guy seemed fairly tight. I didn't want to chase him away.
your kind of contradicting yourself here, if he's a tight player, he's gonna be very narrow pre by 3betting from the SB with something like AA, KK, and maybe QQ or AK. In that case it's a fold pre. You can't chase away people that have big hands.
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01-16-2018 , 10:51 AM
I'd shove or fold pre. Mostly a fold without a read that Villain is 3-betting wide.

As played it's a clear call otf. Why would you want to raise?
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01-16-2018 , 12:24 PM
Stack sizes of cutoff and sb are super relevant

If sb is a weaker player fold pre, if he's got a clue about vpiping via 3bet out of the small with a linear range jam pre (don't 4bet). Seeing as he minnraised out of the small he's probably a weaker player so folding is probably best.
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01-16-2018 , 01:24 PM
jam pre what is this?
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01-16-2018 , 03:31 PM
Dependent on Villians 3-betting tendencies. Have you seen him 3-bet yet. How active is the cutoff. Is he 3-betting the cutoffs wider opening range here? So is his 3-bet range wider here?

As played I'm just calling the flop.
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01-16-2018 , 04:02 PM
I'm more likely to 4bet pre, but AP flop is a pretty standard call, imo.
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01-16-2018 , 10:56 PM
CO image important since he/she is yet to react. Folding pre is ok imho since you are 80 bbs deep and facing a 3b. With reads, 4b and gii also apply.

As played, call flop and gii on most turns.
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01-17-2018 , 01:31 AM
Thanks for the input. I called the flop.

Turn ($332): Ks 8d 7h 5h

Villain shoves. I shrug call. River 5d. Villain mucks.

I did say Villain was TAG but he is not a nit. I am surprised so many people said to fold pre. If I am not defending 3-bets with AKo what am I defending them with?
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01-17-2018 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Machiavelli999
If I am not defending 3-bets with AKo what am I defending them with?
It's okay not to have a flat-calling range, for 17.5% of your stack out of position when players have raised and reraised in front of you.

The reason its bad is sometimes the cutoff will isolate shove with AK/QQ+ and you'll have to fold. If you see a flop with AK, two thirds of the time you'll miss and have to fold to a cbet.

Glad it worked out this time.
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01-17-2018 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Machiavelli999
I am surprised so many people said to fold pre.
Live poker is all about player reads and tendencies.

Maybe it had something to do with your read?

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli999
this guy seemed fairly tight.
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01-17-2018 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Nogyong
It's okay not to have a flat-calling range, for 17.5% of your stack out of position when players have raised and reraised in front of you.

The reason its bad is sometimes the cutoff will isolate shove with AK/QQ+ and you'll have to fold. If you see a flop with AK, two thirds of the time you'll miss and have to fold to a cbet.

Glad it worked out this time.
Since it's almost 20% of your stack I would shove this hand if I was going to play it. That's why it's important to include how active the cutoff was and how often you have seen the SB 3bet.

Not sure what the SB was trying to represent on the turn. Your call on the flop has to be AK or better every single time.
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01-17-2018 , 11:50 AM
It appears V's read on you was that he could get you to muck on the turn; it's to his misfortune that you had a strong hand.
I'm not raising pre either.
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