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Old 03-07-2017, 01:43 AM   #1
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3/5 NFD Paired Board 4 Way

MP ($500) TAG solid player. Casino reg, recently doublebarreled and folded to maniacs jam.

MP1 - Not really involved

Maniac ($800) - likes to see flops, floats almost every flop. Applies pressure when checked to and not afraid to wield stack.

Hero button ($600) - Has been folding a lot. Poor rec player image.

MP raises to $20, MP1 calls, Manic calls, Hero calls with A6

Flop ($82)
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MP bets $60, MP1 folds, Maniac folds, hero...

I do not expect MP to bet into 4 players without a hand, especially with the maniac in the pot who has been floating almost every flop. Do I raise? If I call what is my plan on turns?
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Old 03-07-2017, 01:50 AM   #2
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Re: 3/5 NFD Paired Board 4 Way

Call. Dont raise
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Old 03-07-2017, 02:26 AM   #3
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Re: 3/5 NFD Paired Board 4 Way

Yeah call n peel a turn
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Old 03-07-2017, 02:41 AM   #4
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Re: 3/5 NFD Paired Board 4 Way

Bleh I'm actually sb here. I felt raising is tough because I don't rep much. If I call it's hard to get value being OOP. I also think I don't have SD value unimproved when he bets into 4 players.

Call flop and c/r any 3 or 5 on the turn? I don't think I'm folding much if turn checks through and we get to the river, unless I overbet.

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Old 03-07-2017, 03:45 AM   #5
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Re: 3/5 NFD Paired Board 4 Way

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Bleh I'm actually sb here. I felt raising is tough because I don't rep much. If I call it's hard to get value being OOP. I also think I don't have SD value unimproved when he bets into 4 players.

Call flop and c/r any 3 or 5 on the turn? I don't think I'm folding much if turn checks through and we get to the river, unless I overbet.
I don't mind check raising to like $155 here as a semi bluff. Ya you don't rep much but a c/r should fold out all his Broadway combos that aren't pairs. Barrel 3/5/A turns and obviously diamonds. High variance but w/e. I hate playing oop. Could also just call and try to bink if you think you can get some value after/fold unimproved.

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Old 03-07-2017, 04:47 AM   #6
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Re: 3/5 NFD Paired Board 4 Way

V almost assuredly has a mid PP, probably something like 77. he wont fold to a raise, but you have 12 outs, and half the deck looks bad to him. Id call flop, and lead out turn for value if an A hits, and as a bluff if J-K hits. Maybe a T as well, although that wouldnt be as believable. (if he calls, most likely he folds to a river bluff. if he raises you on turn, you fold).

I agree you wont extract much value if your flush hits, but thats the nature of the beast, he has a weak made hand, if you hit, check turn and bet for small river value.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:23 PM   #7
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V almost assuredly has a mid PP, probably something like 77. he wont fold to a raise, but you have 12 outs, and half the deck looks bad to him. Id call flop, and lead out turn for value if an A hits, and as a bluff if J-K hits. Maybe a T as well, although that wouldnt be as believable. (if he calls, most likely he folds to a river bluff. if he raises you on turn, you fold).

I agree you wont extract much value if your flush hits, but thats the nature of the beast, he has a weak made hand, if you hit, check turn and bet for small river value.
Do you like this stop n' go better than calling and jamming over a turn bet? Wish I knew what 2 streets he tries to get value from with a mid-large pair.
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:44 PM   #8
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Re: 3/5 NFD Paired Board 4 Way

I think pp makes sense here for villain, but his range is much wider than just that. To me the big cbet vs 3 people including one float maniac smells like a higher pp, not just 77 but more like JJ-AA. I'm fine with pealing here and check raising any binked flush if he's the double barreling sort.


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Old 03-07-2017, 11:10 PM   #9
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Re: 3/5 NFD Paired Board 4 Way

Call. He likely has an overpair and you rep exactly a flush draw if you check-raise on this board. I would lead out as a bluff if the turn is a J through K, and for value on an A.

Depending on my read on villain, I would consider check-shoving the turn if you pick up additional outs with a 3 or a 5 on the turn.
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