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3/5 LIVE AKo UTG limp 3B Pre Flop 3/5 LIVE AKo UTG limp 3B Pre Flop

02-17-2019 , 08:25 PM
V($600,SB)

H($475,UTG) AKo.

I limp utg with intentions of 3b pre flop raiser(s) (8 handed) everyone limps, Vil SB, raises $20.

I don't have that much history with V, however, he seems to be a reg, as soon as he sat down 3 players knew him.

I 3B to $65. Before I did this, I was fairly confident limpers will fold, and I also had position on V so I was comfortable with this line.

folds to V, V calls $65.... (pot $210)

4s 5s Jh

Vil checks.

Hero bet $75... bet size? (pot $285)

Vil Shoves all-in.

Hero.. ????????

Live reads: I tanked for a lil bit running through his possible ranges. I ruled out AA KK QQ because he didn't 4B pre and his body language. Soon as he bet all in he sat back in his chair with arms crossed, I took that as he did not like his hand and possibly bluffing, or semi bluffing with FD

If he had a Jack combo, JQ TJ KJ AJ I believe he would of flat.

IMO, he is super polarized at this point.

Asked if he wanted to run it twice before I called/fold.

First he said yes, then immediately retracted and said no. I asked this question because if he was willing to running it twice, I was almost certain he was on a FD.

#1. Pre flop raise bet sizing good here? should I have bet more?

#2 $75 bet on flop, should I have bet more? Jam?

Go easy on me, I'm brand spanking new on 2P2. lol
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02-17-2019 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NevSloWN55
V($600,SB)

H($475,UTG) AKo.

I limp utg with intentions of 3b pre flop raiser(s) (8 handed) everyone limps, Vil SB, raises $20.

I don't have that much history with V, however, he seems to be a reg, as soon as he sat down 3 players knew him.

I 3B to $65. Before I did this, I was fairly confident limpers will fold, and I also had position on V so I was comfortable with this line.

folds to V, V calls $65.... (pot $210)

4s 5s Jh

Vil checks.

Hero bet $75... bet size? (pot $285)

Vil Shoves all-in.

Hero.. ????????

Live reads: I tanked for a lil bit running through his possible ranges. I ruled out AA KK QQ because he didn't 4B pre and his body language. Soon as he bet all in he sat back in his chair with arms crossed, I took that as he did not like his hand and possibly bluffing, or semi bluffing with FD

If he had a Jack combo, JQ TJ KJ AJ I believe he would of flat.

IMO, he is super polarized at this point.

Asked if he wanted to run it twice before I called/fold.

First he said yes, then immediately retracted and said no. I asked this question because if he was willing to running it twice, I was almost certain he was on a FD.

#1. Pre flop raise bet sizing good here? should I have bet more?

#2 $75 bet on flop, should I have bet more? Jam?

Go easy on me, I'm brand spanking new on 2P2. lol
Bet 150+ on flop
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02-17-2019 , 10:43 PM
Flop sizing is kind of small, I'd go more like 1/3 pot. As long as you use same sizing for value hands it should be OK though.

Very easy fold to the raise. You're probably getting decent respect for the limp/rr and there are just not many non-J flush combos which V would raise out of the blinds and call the threebet with. There's AKss, AQss, KQss, maaaaybe ATss... I mean that's like 4 combos and there are 3 combos of JJ alone. Also against flush draws, he still wins at a decent clip, whereas some of the hands which beat you (like JJ) you just draw dead against.

There's nothing innately wrong with limp reraising but you should know why it's non-standard: it's because the adjustments against it are really easy. You just don't raise when limp reraisers limp in EP, then they end up having to play all their premiums in limped pots. They don't really get anything out of this because being able to limp more hands UTG with impunity is not exactly an earth-shattering benefit. Also it means you can't really raise UTG because your range is weakened. There's a regfish at my regular room who limp reraises AA and KK and raises as weak as JTo UTG. I threebet him with ATC basically every time he raises UTG. If nobody adjusts though, it's fine to use limp reraise here.
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02-17-2019 , 11:02 PM
how is pot 210?
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02-18-2019 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Flop sizing is kind of small, I'd go more like 1/3 pot. As long as you use same sizing for value hands it should be OK though.

Very easy fold to the raise. You're probably getting decent respect for the limp/rr and there are just not many non-J flush combos which V would raise out of the blinds and call the threebet with. There's AKss, AQss, KQss, maaaaybe ATss... I mean that's like 4 combos and there are 3 combos of JJ alone. Also against flush draws, he still wins at a decent clip, whereas some of the hands which beat you (like JJ) you just draw dead against.

There's nothing innately wrong with limp reraising but you should know why it's non-standard: it's because the adjustments against it are really easy. You just don't raise when limp reraisers limp in EP, then they end up having to play all their premiums in limped pots. They don't really get anything out of this because being able to limp more hands UTG with impunity is not exactly an earth-shattering benefit. Also it means you can't really raise UTG because your range is weakened. There's a regfish at my regular room who limp reraises AA and KK and raises as weak as JTo UTG. I threebet him with ATC basically every time he raises UTG. If nobody adjusts though, it's fine to use limp reraise here.
that was a very insightful response. thank you.
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02-18-2019 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by wait
how is pot 210?
my math is off my bad. im sick and very tired from work lol
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02-18-2019 , 12:44 AM
Spoiler..... i called his all in... i know i know, call me a "calling station" but i went with my gut in this spot...
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02-18-2019 , 12:53 AM
turn and the river were 4's.

4s 5s Jh 4d 4h
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02-18-2019 , 02:33 PM
The 3b sizing and flop sizing are both too light. I don’t mind the AI call. A lot of V’s will read you hand and action accurately and shove light. You make the hand both easier and more profitable (IMO) by sizing up.
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02-18-2019 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NevSloWN55
turn and the river were 4's.

4s 5s Jh 4d 4h
What did he have?
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02-18-2019 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
What did he have?
He showed AQo.

Scooped the pot.
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02-18-2019 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
The 3b sizing and flop sizing are both too light. I don’t mind the AI call. A lot of V’s will read you hand and action accurately and shove light. You make the hand both easier and more profitable (IMO) by sizing up.
what do you recommend I should have 3b pre? bet size on flop?
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02-18-2019 , 05:52 PM
Pot size on flop looks off... 7 limps + 65 + 65 = $165. Also next time include suits of hole cards if you remember them.

limp/rr isn't really my thing but can't be too bad. Should make it like 75 or 80 though.

Flop bet is ok, fold to the raise.
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