V: Young Asian regular who is skilled and respects H as a tight player. $800

H: Young white respected TAG. $900

Preflop:

Straddled pot to 10. 2 limp. V raises to 50. Folded to H in CO with KK. H raises to 300, making it large to try and create an SPR where he can shove any flop. Folded to V who SNAP-shoves 800.



Is it standard to get in with KK pre for 160BB? Or can I really fold this? Should I have 3b less? Is this ever a spew with QQ, AKs? Is he ever just trying to steal the straddle limps and overcommitting when facing resistance which might look like a re-steal?

Call. Btw, you're <100BBs deep during straddled hands.

Yay, another how to play KK preflop question.

Maybe it's time for a containment thread?

Did not read spoiler.

You are viewed by V as a tight player. You raise a pot of ~$90 to $300 and are 4-bet AI. I think this is a fold, albeit tough. Imo, AA will show-up more times than not given the images and bet-sizing.

I would have 3-bet to $150-$160.

Your 3bet size is a massive error

Why is he a skilled player? How has he acted in the past that makes him skilled? Does he generally get it in good pre flop? What about post flop? Does he generally 4bet light? Does he generally 3 bet light? Does he ever spaz or is almost always playing his A game? Have you seen him 4bet in the past? What did he show up with?

Why are you a respected player? How have you acted in the past that makes you respected in the eyes of other players? Do you generally get it in good pre flop? What about post flop? Do you generally 3bet light? Do you ever spaz or are you always playing your A game? Have you ever been seen to gii pre flop for 80bb, or 160bb with less than a premium holding? Was it against someone with whom there is a certain dynamic?

Also, your pre flop sizing sucks.
What do you expect him to do with JJ- here? Just call pre flop, and then calmly call a post flop shove on a dry T high board against a Hero that he respect and is tight? Does he expect you to be bluffing with AK/AQ often enough post flop for him to commit with weak hands so that your flop shove can be profitable?

You've pretty much said:

HEY GUYS
I have a good hand, but this villain 'who is skilled' says he has a better hand. Even though I've told you nothing about him, can you tell me if he is spazzing out so that I can call and think that I did the right thing?

You need to provide us with history, context, or something to go on here, otherwise you are going to get a cookie cutter answer. And the cokie cutter answer is that generally you should not fold KK pre flop for 80bb and that your 3bet sizing is terrible.

Note:Your bet does not look like a resteal. It looks like an oversized value raise against which he will likely play almost perfectly.

Why did you 3-bet so huge? If you respect him and know him well, will he snap shove AK or QQ in this spot?

I echo what many have already said. The first thing I thougth was, "Why in the hell is this guy 3-betting so much?" Your 3! puts in a third of the effective stack and you're going to fold? I understand you're trying to create a favorable SPR, but your gigantic raise, folds out many hands that you want to call, like JJ, QQ, and AK.

Yeah, his 4-bet screams Aces, but this mistake was the 3-bet; now with your massive 3-bet you're feeling obligated to call even though you know you are beat.

I'm getting KK in all day in a straddled pot for 80bbs... But as you've noticed your sizing is just so silly.. 3bet to $220.. If he flats youre ahead if he ships youre losing..

You need approx 31% equity to call,

against KK, AA and AK you are 47%
against KK, AA and AKs you are 32%
against KK, AA you are 23%

If there is just one combo of QQ in his range, even without including AK, you have 30% equity.

So, it really boils down to his frequency of shoving AK and QQ in spots where he has little or no fold equity.

I guess its just about a call, but you made it so by your massive 3bet. If you bet $140 it all looks very different.

Is there a thread where somebody posts 'how to play KK pre flop' where V doesn't have AA...?

OP, getting KK in pre flop with 90bb effective can really never be horrible. Sorry you ran into AA but coolers do happen.