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04-01-2014 , 02:37 PM

bonk the donk

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This hand happened last night...

Villain (MP) - sat down roughly about 30mins prior, I hadn't seen him get out of line on any hands and have never played with him, thus no history of his playing style.
Stack size 34bb

Hero (SB) - I've been playing for about 2hrs, I've been playing TAG poker. Won 3 showdowns with strong hands. Table image is solid TAG.
Stack size 110bb

Villain, CO and BTN all limp.
It comes around and I find J

I think for a short time and bump it to $25.

Villain shoves his remaining $165. CO and BTN both fold. Hero...???

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04-01-2014 , 02:43 PM

Willyoman

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I think this is almost always a fold.

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04-01-2014 , 02:52 PM

bonk the donk

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Originally Posted by Willyoman

I think this is almost always a fold.

Why so? The range i put him on were AKs AKo AKs AQo and maybe AJs (but doubtful) if he's getting out of line here in an attempt to take pot down

Last edited by bonk the donk; 04-01-2014 at 03:06 PM.

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04-01-2014 , 03:09 PM

Willyoman

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Sure, get it in against that range.

I think these limp/shoves are AA, KK a lot.

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04-01-2014 , 03:28 PM

ryno19

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Originally Posted by Willyoman

Sure, get it in against that range.

I think these limp/shoves are AA, KK a lot.

I have a hard time believing he has AA KK or even QQ here, V is in middle position, is it really common for people to limp with those hands from MP? I know I would never limp with those hands from MP, unless on the rare occasion there is a maniac in LP who is raising everything.

I would call that bet putting him on a big Ace or middle pair...thinking he is trying to double up with a wide range because he has a short stack for a 3-5 game.

Im still new here, so I would love some feedback on my take on this.

Thanks

Last edited by ryno19; 04-01-2014 at 03:39 PM.

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04-01-2014 , 04:26 PM

dunderstron!

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Classic limp reraise, and from a villain who doesn't get out of line. Gotta be aces or kings. We are getting such a good price to fold, too.

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Originally Posted by bonk the donk

Why so? The range i put him on were AKs AKo AKs AQo and maybe AJs (but doubtful) if he's getting out of line here in an attempt to take pot down

So you are saying that he shoves with AQ. But limp/calls with AA/KK. Um. There is no way for us to cap his range here. Quite the opposite really. The read in the OP says he doesn't get out of line btw.

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04-01-2014 , 04:32 PM

InTheDark

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Originally Posted by Willyoman

I think this is almost always a fold.

^ ^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^ ^

Unless you can be SURE his range contains many smaller pairs ... GTFO.

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04-01-2014 , 04:35 PM

InTheDark

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Originally Posted by ryno19

I play a lot of short stack and I will ALWAYS limp first in with AA, KK, QQ, AK in hopes of winning a double through instead of a tiny pot.

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04-01-2014 , 07:53 PM

bonk the donk

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Originally Posted by dunderstron!

Classic limp reraise, and from a villain who doesn't get out of line. Gotta be aces or kings. We are getting such a good price to fold, too.

So you are saying that he shoves with AQ. But limp/calls with AA/KK. Um. There is no way for us to cap his range here. Quite the opposite really. The read in the OP says he doesn't get out of line btw.

I just wouldnt expect him to 3b shove with AA/KK/QQ, but rather min raise/3x my raise and play post flop. Wouldn't that induce me to call his AA/KK/QQ more often than not vs shoving here? And wouldn't he want heads up (max 3 way action) vs just having us fold around?

But then i can see how if he 3x my 2bet to $75, then he'd only have $90 to shove into a pot of ~$160. which obviously isn't optimal. Is this thinking correct here?

I forgot to mention that this is a $200 BI cap, 3/5 NL game. So his stack is still ~80% of a full buy in. And while it may look like he's short stacked, he's not. Relative to the structure.

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04-01-2014 , 07:56 PM

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Time For A Nap

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Originally Posted by bonk the donk

...no history of his playing style...

Fold.

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04-01-2014 , 08:21 PM

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KenThBA

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It's only like 29 more big blinds... I snap call.

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