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3/5 - J9o in a straddle pot gone wild 3/5 - J9o in a straddle pot gone wild

06-28-2014 , 11:51 AM
V1: Solid quiet TAG regular. $620
V2: A wealthy bad young regular. Preflop has a narrow raising range and an extremely wide limp and calling range, seems to play any two cards on whims, makes comments like "You never know what you're gonna get!" He will call down with any draw, and bet when he hits, or bet on the river if he missed, often all-in. Tends to bet only made hands before the river. Treats poker pretty recreationally, does not seem to think too deeply about hands. Won a very big pot recently. $1200
H: Running over the table, LAG image, getting constant comments about how lucky he is, how he can't miss, etc. $1085

Preflop:

V1 straddles to 10. V2 raises in MP to 30. H calls on the button with J9. Folded to V1 who checks.

Flop ($93) 1095

V1 checks. V2 C-bets 50. H decides to peel with middle pair and backdoor straight and flush draws. V1 calls.

Turn ($243) J

V1 leads 125. V2 calls.

H is happy he hit 2 pair but did not expect V1 to lead, he is now totally lost and confused! Help!!!

I will stop here for discussion before I continue the story.
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06-28-2014 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Thorware
V2: . Preflop has a narrow raising
Fold pre. Villain has a strong hand.
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06-28-2014 , 12:53 PM
Preflop action is a bit shady.


Honestly folding pre pretty easily.
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06-28-2014 , 12:58 PM
V1's line looks a lot like he has 78 or JT....V2 probably something like QQ+, AQ....

You're 4 to 1 on a call on the river and drawing to most likely 4 outs....2 if your V1 has JT....Fold it.

You're deep enough to be playing a straddled pot so I'm fine with pre since you believe you have a good read on villains and position. Kind of villain you flop well and you'll get his stack. Playing TAG fold...playing LAG style...go for it.
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06-28-2014 , 01:41 PM
Dont like the preflop and flop call.

AP, V1's line and bet sizing looks like Jdxd or JQ/J8. He just doesnt seem to be very strong here, and either is V2 on the turn. Im gunna call behind here because i think im ahead of enough hands/draws.
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06-28-2014 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Panama Ed
Fold pre. Villain has a strong hand.
This. You clearly state that the Villain has a narrow raising range and then you call his PF raise with trash. Wait until this guy limps and keep on raising him since he L/Cs so light.
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06-28-2014 , 06:07 PM
i think calling pre with this is

I think you should be patient enough to wait for hands to call with in pos that are better than this vs this villain and this villains range.
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06-28-2014 , 06:26 PM
fold pre, call turn
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06-28-2014 , 06:31 PM
I agree calling pre is questionable. I was on winner's tilt, felt I was invincible and couldn't miss, wanted to see lots of implied odds hands if I had position due to deep stacks. Since I had such a winning image, I felt I could steal a lot.
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06-28-2014 , 07:23 PM
fold pre, and finding it hard to just call even if J9 were s00ted. either raise or fold. just fold and look for the right spot to be a TAG.
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06-28-2014 , 07:33 PM
There is just no chance calling with J9o is ever a good play here
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06-28-2014 , 08:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorware
V1 straddles to 10. V2 raises in MP to 30. H calls on the button with J9. Folded to V1 who CALLS.
FYP.

OT: Fold pre-flop, calling $30.00 there isn't LAG it's just spew.
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06-29-2014 , 01:03 AM
H raises to 625 (maximum allowed in WA state)

Here is my reasoning. V1 put out a strange blocking bet, half pot, didn't wait for V2 to continue aggression. This makes me think his hand is marginal, a pair and a draw, something like QJ that called the flop open-ended and hit top pair, or AdJd, something along those lines. I think I'm ahead of him and since the board is so wet, I need to charge him to draw. I think 76 is such a small part of his range that I ignore it. I don't think he has a set, he might have 2 pair, but I think this TAG player would fold these to my huge raise, putting me on a straight, since I can rep 76 pretty convincingly here, as I have a loose, hand-making image.

As for V2, I'm putting him on an overpair. I feel he's played his hand pretty face-up, and I'm confident my 2 pair is good vs. him. I don't think he'll be able to fold his overpair, and I hope to get max value from him.

V1 tank-calls, he's all-in as I cover him. V2 shoves over the top!

It's about another 400 to me. I hate it, but I'm getting insane immediate pot odds, and especially with a side pot against V2, he could be drawing to something or overvaluing his overpair, so I have to call, right?
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06-29-2014 , 02:02 AM
fold. two pair is nothing here. there are sets, better two pairs and straights out there.
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06-29-2014 , 03:21 PM
Fold pf, fold flop. As played your decision is made once you put in a turn raise, you can never fold.
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06-29-2014 , 07:33 PM
There is no way you should consider folding here. Big pot odds plus showdown value of 2 pair. At every other point in the hand you should have decided to fold, but you have to call here. You are almost certainly toast.
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06-29-2014 , 07:39 PM
You're not peeling the flop to hit the turn and fold. Call turn, check/call most bricked rivers.
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