Ok so I am not going to include my hand or V showdown until later to see what people think the of the ranges.

V - just sat down, has woman with him that he is talking to (assuming wife). Has played a few hands but nothing major.

Hero - seen usually as solid TAG, have only been playing for about two hours and sitting at my original buy-in ~$500...V barely covers by maybe ~$100.

V limps in EP, hero raises to $20, folds to V who calls.

($40) K 4 T

V checks, hero bets $25, V calls.

($90) K 4 8 T

V checks, hero bets $60, V calls.

($210) K 4 8 T Q

V leads for $150, hero ships for about $325 total, V tanks for maybe 30 seconds to 1 minute then calls.

What kind of range would we put him on? What kind of range would he put us on? This is more of a sanity check and I will put the spoil later.

J9 is most likely.

AJhh is out obviously.

4hXh is probable as well.

Set of 4's is more likely to CR turn than stop-n-go river.

Kx for V, maybe KQ.
Hero: backdoor flush or straight.

Also, you flop HH and turn HH is different?

I messed up originally...flop was rainbow and a second heart on turn. Is that what you are asking?

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see 44 from V here. Maybe TT as well. Hero with KQ. Because I think Hero should/would just flat with AK or KJ. I don't think J9 should ever be in your or V's range here. But this is 3/5 and I'm more accustomed to 1/2 so I'm not positive.
Looking forward to seeing results.

Anybody else?

Jam TT+

Ok here is the spoil...

Hero: Ac Js for the straight

V: 3h 4h for the flush

Thought process is that clearly V didn't hit the flop hard and normally our double barrel works here. By the river V should almost never have a flush here. Process wise the ship on the river was for value because as a lot have said we expect two pair, sets, and lower straights most of the time if not all of the time. Hard to say if I would have triple barreled without hitting the straight or an ace. Having history helps to determine what level thinker V is but this is another example of people playing weird hands and not thinking about anything else.

It's impossible to evaluate villain's range without knowing your own range. For instance, whether or not you have the Ah or Jh changes the range of hands that villain can have on the river.

If the river was a random low heart such as 3h then that would add a lot of Qhxh hands that beat us such as AQhh, KQhh, QJhh. So that Qh actually makes it less likely that villain has us beat and also adds KQxx to villains range. I do think a ship here is probably slightly profitable because I think he only folds his bluffs so I like the ship for thin value but we should expect to not be good here a decent amount of time as there are a number of flushes that beat us (Khxh, and 4hxh).

I'm not a fan of a double barrel on this board vs an unknown when our equity is so low. I'd rather see a free river and hope to improve our hand.

Although I get what your saying about cards impacting range...do we expect V to limp call with AQ type hands in EP? Not to mention a standard reg type move would raise when drawing to the nuts and sometimes second nuts.

If I am Hero I don't think I am shoving river without a flush.

Correct assumption, but when it doesn't work, alarm should go off.

Why not?

Why would 2 pair+ slowplay on a wetboard then decide to fire big when the river completes most draws?

If anything, this hand is an example of YOU trying to project your own thinking into villain's shoes.

When I first started playing I made a similar play. When a river completed a flush. In my case Villain bet all the way through and jammed on the river.

The dealer then asked me "Why did you call" "He see's the Flush"

I found this to be valuable advice coming from a someone who has dealt thousands of hands and probably seen it all.

Her point was the flush clearly hit and Villain moved all-in warranting some credibility.

Of course it's not applicable to all situations and depends on Villain type, game level, stack size, etc. And you shouldn't snap fold every time a flush comes out.

But with all those considered, realizing "he see's the flush" after an all-in is something to think.

FWIW, at least 90% of all dealers are absolutely horrible poker players and I wouldn't necessarily put much credibility into what they say.

+1
Dealers have seen a lot of poker but if they where actually good at it they wouldn't be dealing, they would be playing.

Theres no way we should be raising without a flush.

Villains range is super polarized when he leads river. Its not going to be a non flush value bet hardly ever.

Grnch

Random players with wives can show white blackbirds easily here but the bulk range I would guess would be around 4Xhh or other hh hands that fit such as 56hh or 67hh with runners up such as KQo J9o.

Lol this. Also picturing the average wanna be stoic dealer say "he sees the flush" is killing me lolol

Everything about this hand is standard coming from the guy bringing his bitch to the table with him

I'm saying his range is 910, J9O, or a back door flush with a pair. Your range is A/K,K/Q, or possibly stronger because of the push. Prob KK