Hero's image is LAG, but I'm really just a TAG who's running good. Stack size is 900.

Villain covers (stack size is like 3k), no reads as I sat down about half an hour ago. Seems competent due to stack size, capable of bluffs from a hand I saw earlier.

Table is 5 handed, it's 3 AM and villain does seem tired like he's been at the table for a while.

Hero opens UTG with KTo to 20. Villain calls, everyone else folds.

Flop is 9JQhh. Hero cbets 25, villain raises to 75.

Should we reraise here? Due to my image villain might think I'm playing back at him with a draw, two pair, or set. Or just call and evaluate turn?

Thanks

yes you should re-raise and hope he jams. You have the nuts now but you don't want to lost the nuts on the turn. Get your money in now while you're ahead. No slow playing on this board.

raise to 225

If he was bluffing the flop, he would not be getting any more money in most likely anyway. If he has a set, he's getting it in. If he's on a NFD, he might not want to fold and get the rest of it in. If he has KThh, he's getting it in anyway with the redraw.

Disagree. By doing this you let V play his hand perfectly - he will fold out a LOT of very strong holdings as our hand looks nutted AF (sets/straights/epic combo draws, i.e. AThh, almost exclusively).

Call. Then c-r commit on any blank turn.

The only turn card I am really terrified of is a board pairing. IMO we aren't scared of a heart on the the turn as our hand looks can easily be a heart draw once we call his flop raise - I'd expect a check-check turn a lot of the time that a heart hits.

I had typed a lot of words but then I closed the window. In short: fold pre, on the flop your range is arguably too weak to 3bet this hand if villain is good enough, but if he isn't you need to 3bet because his range is mostly going to be high equity hands with medium amounts of showdown value, so when you flat he's going to check behind the turn a decent amount and you only get to trap him for 0-1 more bets OTR.
You have 11 hearts and 9 cards that put a 4 straight out there, plus 9 cards that pair, all of which hurt your action or possibly even put you behind. That makes a reraise even better, but if villain is good this makes your range when you flat his raise way to weak, and in future hands he will be able to raise and barrel you off too easily.


Against the general 2/5 population you should 3bet, but against the ones who are good enough to stay while 3k deep, a flat has merit.

I would agree with this if we know villain can bluff and play creative on the flop but we have no reads on him and he seems to like his hand. I'm going to try to get money in now, not wait for a heart or a straight card on the turn which are action killers. If he has a hand, he's at least flatting the 225.

also, fold pre. TAG's do not open raise KTo UTG. That would be a lag, not a tag "running good".

In position I would flat but OOP you really don't want to give up the initiative and be left with no idea what to do on the turn. It is hard to see him having much of a raise fold range here. I'd pop it back to an amount that looks like you could fold to a shove. Maybe like $225.

Im fine with opening KT UTG 5 handed. I agree with Playbig. Reraise the flop. If I was in position and got check raised, I think calling would be fine. If I did just call the flop raise, Im leading most turns, but reraising is better.

KTo 5 handed is perfectly fine to open.

We are too deep in this hand to raise the flop. There are a TONNE of turn cards that we don't like - K,T,board pair,heart. If we raise to $225 on the flop, and V calls then we just set ourselves up for a situation where we have $650 left in our stack, with $500 in the pot, facing the prospect of having to make a f***ing difficult decision OOP on a tonne of scary turn cards. If the turn is a blank it is an easy decision (we bet), but I would suggest that a blank turn is also an easy decision for V - FOLD.

KTo is just barely a fold for me pre, I think I open KJo 5 handed though. It's probably fine.

This seem like an ideal candidate for a check/raise. We'll want to have a check/raising range on a board this wet, and we should expect Villain to bet lots of hands on this flop, some draws and some that will GII with us immediately: flush draws, 99, JJ, QJ, AQ, AT, KQ. We also don't block any of the hands that will GII with us. Too many turn cards kill our action / give us the worst hand.

If you're going to lead, I like a bigger bet on this extremely wet board.

As played, I like a big raise, to 300 to set up a turn shove. We really don't want to give our opponent two free cards, and it's going to be tough for us to get value OOP.

We're only 180bb's deep and we flopped a straight on a wet board with a flush draw. I would be ecstatic if I can get all my money in on the flop why would you not want to get your money in here?

If your image is LAG, why are you not insta reraiaing this flop... Even if you dont have a LAG image this is a reraise all day long. Flatting OOP is terrible

In what fantasy world are we getting all the money in on this flop against anything other than KT.

Reduced QQ, JJ/99/QJ/J9s, aggro played combo draws. Flatting here OOP vs a raise is insane.

eww... that is tough. with two hearts, a straighty board, and the potential for the board to pair, almost half the deck either kills your action or potentially helps out the V.


With two hearts out there, I really like a shove. V is 3k deep and likely to have already played a bunch of big pots already, you might be able to get him to stick it in right here.

Otherwise I would tank click it back to 275 and see if you can't get V to do the shoving for you.

I am sorry, but I strongly disagree with all of this.

all of them.

there are so many flush/straight combo draws that in a 5 handed game, it would be very easy to GII right now.

Thanks for everyone's advice, definitely some good points in this thread. Surprised people considered folding pre since we're five handed. I ended up raising to 225 as I think he would call me down with two pair and above, maybe nut flush draw but he folded. Just wanted to make sure I got max possible value, but I think even a call would likely get me in trouble with little or no added value

"Flatting OOP vs a raise here is insane" ... that's exactly why I am doing it...

I'm looking to play for stacks here, not $95. Calling and C-Ring blank turns is o-so-fkng sexy imo. How can V range us ... the reasoning of "he would have raised with KT on the flop" is undoubtedly going to be playing in his mind when we c-butt pump him on the turn. We obv have to expect that V will value bet the turn with his holding for this to work.

Not sure what games you play in, but not even most mouth breathers are clicking us back on that flop with anything other than JJ / KT / 8T. And the other strong holdings 99,88,J9 are going to play into us and bet blank turn cards as our hand looks like a FD once we call OOP on the flop.

lol at the analysis ITT.

3bet the flop to whatever amount >$200 and GII. It's not close either.

Yes, in the games that I play, people raise when they flop two pair+. I do as well. That's a pretty standard play.

You might want to google FPS to understand why your line here is bad. By my count there are 23 cards that can come on the turn that either freeze our action or otherwise demolish our plan to c/r turn. Plus if V is raising a draw he might check back turn, thus allowing him to realize all his equity for $50. That's pretty disasterous, way more so than him folding a random one pair hand on the flop.

very possibly the worst analysis I've ever read in any thread in LLSNL.

Actually, I take that back:

No, THIS is the worst analysis I've ever read in any thread in LLSNL. Seriously - we flopped the nuts on a sloppy wet board. I'm silently fist-pump moonwalking around the table while shoveling money in as fast as I can and bemoaning the fact that we're only 180bb deep.

If you're just scared money, fold pre. No difficult decisions! Hey presto, problem solved. The bingo parlor's that way.

If you're playing KTo, I assume your range is something like:
A2s+,67s-9Ts,79s-9Js,BBss,Q9s,K9s (27*4=108)
BBo (10*12=120)
22+ (13*6=78)
Total 306 or 23% of hands.

Since you're opening huge, to 4x, I assume you are getting called a bunch pre. If you're getting called a bunch pre, then you shouldn't be opening hands like KTo that get most of their value from stealing the blinds or dominating a loose BB range that has to call wide because you're going 3x from the button.