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08-28-2013 , 03:01 PM
V1 - SB ($750) - 40yo Asia man, seems solid. Doesn't play passive and when he enters pots it's generally with aggression. When he has shown down he has had the goods. Haven't seem him get out of line at all.

V2 - BTN ($600) - Unknown, just moved to this table.

Hero - CO ($500) - I've been at this table about an hour and haven't been to showdown. My image at this point is ABC. The only hands I have been involved with were standard opens with a Cbet that took down the pot.

Preflop:

Hero in CO is deal K6 open raise to $20
V2 - Calls
V1 - Calls

Flop ($60):
K64
V2 - Checks, Hero bets $40, V1 raises $110, V2 raises $250, Hero?

My gut instinct here is to fold, but I only lose to 44 and 66, and a set of 6's is so hard to make when I have one.
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08-28-2013 , 03:14 PM
I fold so hard. At least one of the people has a fd, that you are more or less flipping against, and the other guy has 4 combinations of sets in his range. I just think you're probably too deep to stack off against two players given the action. When someone cold 3bets the flop over another players flop raise, I would probably think that I'm not good.

Maybe every once and a while you'll see them show up with 64 vs Axss, but I think it's super rare.
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08-28-2013 , 03:22 PM
V1 has AK, V2 has OESFD. Ship it.
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08-28-2013 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by floppinnothing
V1 has AK, V2 has OESFD. Ship it.
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V2 most likely has set (at least that's what he's reppjng) with a check re-raise in this position
V1, hard to tell. I feel the way he's playing (as you described) he would've popped you pre with AK or KQ... Maybe he has KT or KJ.
I wouldn't pursue any further because I'd feel almost certain I was beat after that re-raise, especially with no initial knowledge of the player
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08-28-2013 , 03:47 PM
Its not an auto fold at 100bbs. V1 can have 64 ootb and unknown V2 can have a combo draw from the button.

Still, I fold mostly.
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08-28-2013 , 03:50 PM
Wtf you have 100bbs never fold this
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08-28-2013 , 04:24 PM
Unless V2 is an older woman its tough to fold this 100 bb effective readless. I'm assuming v2 had 44 and you end up getting it in which is why you're posting the hand
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08-28-2013 , 04:35 PM
Yeah I don't think I can fold this. You opened from the CO, and fired a standard cb. V1s range is pretty wide, and you crush it.

V2 is the one to be more concerned about, but there are a lot of combo draws on the board. even some naked flush and straight draws may make this raise, knowing how strong it looks, and knowing that both of you still have a wide range. Combine this with there literally only being 2 hands that beat you, and With only 100 bbs, I think I would feel pretty comfortable shipping it in here.
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08-28-2013 , 04:38 PM
Apologies if I am reading this incorrectly but it seems that you are confusing the postflop action. You initially have V1 in the SB and V2 on the button, but after the flop the first action is V2 checking to you in the cutoff.

I would think that if the SB 3-betting the button's re-raise with a big draw he would size his raise much higher in order to have fold equity against AK and 2 pair hands. This looks like he wants action from these hands, which probably indicates a set. The button will also be showing up with a set here some of the time as well. Given the small size of the 3-bet I would be hesitant to put the SB on K4s or 64s because he is likely to get a caller and he then has to play the hand out of position on a draw heavy board.

I'm folding this.

(this is my first post here, please let me know if I am doing this incorrectly.)
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08-28-2013 , 11:37 PM
What happened?
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08-29-2013 , 01:05 AM
I tank folded and V1 folded behind me as well. It felt so wrong to fold, but after the flop gets 3bet I just don't really ever see myself ahead here. I know for only 100bbs this is generally a hand to just go with, but V2 look way to comfortable and I just felt I was behind. This is one of those hands where I usually just fold and don't tell anybody that I actually folded a hand this good, but I was curious what you guys thought.
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08-29-2013 , 02:45 PM
In my experience I've found that you can get a good grasp on the strength of someone's hand simply by the amount of money put it pre-flop vs. post-flop. They've only put in $20 so they should have no problem letting go of their hand (especially when facing a bet and a raise and being out of position for the rest of the hand) unless they have a MONSTER. In this case the pre to post ratio is 20 to 250, which screams monster to me. Whether or not he thinks bottom two pair is a monster is hard to tell without reads.

I feel like if it was a combo draw or any other semi-bluff then he would want to maximize fold equity and jam more than 250.

All in all I probably stack off here for 100bbs and hope it gets me action later in the session if I lose (assuming I don't have to show my top two) but i think that's ultimately a bankroll management and/or personal preference towards allowable variance issue.

Just curious - how'd the rest of your session go? Did you shake this off and play better because of it? Or did a cloud of doubt hover over your head for sometime affecting your play?
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