V1: Older regular, plays his hand, especially multi-way, but is capable of getting tricky, drinking. $700
V2: Quiet Asian player, have not noticed him do anything unusual so far, seems ABC. $275
H: TAG, winning, "bully" image. $1200

Preflop:

V1 limps UTG+1. MP limps. V2 on BTN limps. SB folds. H with 64 in BB checks.

Flop ($19) 743

H leads $20. V1 raises to $50. MP folds. V2 calls. H calls.

Since V1 is a reasonable regular, I expect him to have a powerful hand when he raises here, an overpair at the very least. I thought about 3-betting, but wasn't sure what my fold equity was against V1, I thought it might be low. I decided to flat and try to hit one of my 17 outs (FD + gutshot + pair).

Turn ($168) 9

H checks. V1 checks. V2 bets $60. H c/r to $180. V1 folds. V shoves for $200. H calls.

I can't fold when my draw comes in, right? Even though V2 is screaming flush with his bet. I figure he's short enough that I have to commit so I effectively shove hoping he will call with 2 pair. Although maybe calling him down is the better play since he's never folding better? Surely we are short enough that I bet this for value? I'm just a bit lost as to how to handle this situation. I didn't ask to play this crappy hand, it was given to me in the blind! Maybe I should bet/fold the turn? Maybe I should have check/raised the flop, or 3-bet the flop?

C/r flop or bet 3 bet flop... This flop hits your perceived range hard
And hope v2 folds his fd.. And you get v1 to come along...

As played its fine to gii with shorty but you can also just ck call turn and eval rvr.. Prob not folding the rvr tho unless he does something really goofy...

This is the common issue of reverse implied odds of small suited connectors in multiway pots. Waaaay different compared to HU and you will lose more money than you will win in the long run...your goal should be to ISO pre or on flop to play it profitably

Before you raise the flop it has 169 in it. 189 is a pot-sized bet. Your stack seems awfully big to shove, but I think you need to.

Against a worst case range you're flipping, but you're way of better flush draws.
Board: 7d 4h 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.954% 47.50% 00.45% 5560730 52966.00 { 6d4d }
Hand 1: 52.046% 51.60% 00.45% 6039974 52968.00 { 7h7s, AdKd }

I have no idea why people are much more likely to raise the NFD; which unlike your hand plays well in a multi-way pot.

Look how bad the NFD is doing in a heads-up pot:
Board: 7d 4h 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.939% 58.48% 00.45% 579 4.50 { 6d4d }
Hand 1: 41.061% 40.61% 00.45% 402 4.50 { AdKd }

Grunch. Stopped reading after the flop play.

I'm definitely reraising the flop to $150. Why are we afraid of overpairs here? We are a decent favorite against them correct? 9 flush outs, 3 two pair outs, 2 trip out and 3 straight outs gives us 17 total for approximately 61%. Raising here often gets folds from these overpairs because it looks like we flopped 2 pair or or a set out of the big blind. Him folding 40% equity is a huge win for us.

We are also a small favorite against flush draws/overs which have 13 outs against us. And as above, we have some fold equity against them so we really need to bet here.

If he has a set (7 combos) we have only 12 outs which is approximately 48% minus his redraw chances so it's probably like 35-40. I wonder if bottom set folds a non-zero % here also. Getting all of the money in against a set is bad but only marginally so. Since sets are more rare than pairs or flush draws I think we need to take the line that's best against the majority of his range.

Made straights are pretty much the same situation as sets. If he only limps suited 56 then there are only 3 combos. We have 3 outs to a chop which is like 1.5 outs to win, plus our 9 flush outs gives us ~42%.

I'm curious if others play this way because maybe I play combo draws too optimistically and just get lucky with em. Off to read the rest of the hand and responses.

V1's small raise OTF is strangely small on this wet board.
3betting flop seems best.

Heros play was to bet-fold turn for half pot since one of the other two were very likely to have a higher flush draw. Check raising was a bad idea and calling it off was worse.

I prefer a check raise on the flop. Out of the big blind, our range is super strong if we do that. In general, when faced with a raise and a call in a spot like this (pair and a mediocre combo draw) there is merit to calling, folding, or raising but it depends on the players and what they will fold and continue with. Our hand does not fair that well in a multiway raised pot.

The biggest mistake you made here is overplaying the turn. You pretty much made your hand face up as a flush with no clue what the other villains had.

Really good thread so far, scary thing is v1s range has a lot of better flush draws in it and I'm not so used to deeper stacked play to know what i would do on the flop. Will be interesting to find out what others think.

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