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3/5: ATo IP vs Aggro 3/5: ATo IP vs Aggro

08-03-2014 , 06:05 PM
V: Young, aggressive, seems to play patiently, always raises when entering a pot and will always call a 3-bet, even OOP. Attacks draws. His stack doesn't move much but when it does it moves big. Starting hand selection seems on the wide side.
H: TAG winning image.
Effective stacks: $1100
History: Earlier, V flopped the nut straight with 89o OOP calling H's 3-bet, open shoved the flop for 400. H doubled him up, didn't show.

Game is Saturday night so players tend to be more loose/aggressive.

Preflop:

V standard raises UTG to 20. Folded to H in CO with AT who raises to 65. Only V calls.

Flop ($133) 543

V checks. H C-bets 75. V c/r to 225. H calls.

I was a bit lost here. I flopped the nut flush draw and a gutshot. I'm putting him on some overpair with a club in his hand, a flopped flush, or maybe a set. My thought was to call and try to hit my flush, maybe get a free river. I thought 3-betting had merit too, but I was so afraid of the deep stacks all getting in on a relatively weak draw. I knew he didn't have the A so if he flopped a flush maybe I could get him to fold it by 3-betting huge. But I took the coward's way out.

Turn ($583) 9

V leads 300. H folds.

Well, I missed, and my hand looks a lot weaker with one card to come. I give up.

Feedback? Should I be 3-betting this flop, or maybe checking behind on the flop for a free card and pot control, or just fold to his check/raise with my weak draw?
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08-03-2014 , 07:33 PM
When you've got a patient, aggressive villain that is always calling a 3 bet, 3betting ATo is spew against a UTG range. Patient players don't raise 20% of their hands pf.

Don't understand the flop bet. You have a draw to the nuts. He's giving you a free card. Take it. In addition, if you had Ax clubs here, would he expect you to bet? No, he would expect you to check. By betting, he knows you're weak.

However, the worst is calling the raise. You're not being offered odds. If you call, he knows you have a draw. Therefore, you're not getting paid off if you hit on the turn.
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08-03-2014 , 07:48 PM
check back flop...since you bet you gotta play for stacks.

you mentioned villain flatted a 3bet oop with 89o and then open shoved ai otf with the nut straight. here he's flatted again oop, but cr flop, which is a good sign imo.

put the third bet in
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08-03-2014 , 08:15 PM
I was watching Bart Hanson's poker with your pants on series, and a similar situation came up involving a 3 flush (it happened to be clubs in the video as well) The flop was 6c4c3s turn 7c. Villian lead out on the turn H/P bet.

Bart was saying that villian hardly ever has the nut flush bc people at the level just do not fast play there nut flushes.

So this goes along with what Venice is saying, when you lead out for more then half the pot, its a good indicator that you don't have the flush.

It was against a passive opponent.

Last edited by Sunnyvale; 08-03-2014 at 08:22 PM.
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08-03-2014 , 08:21 PM
Either check flop back as Venice says, or bet knowing you're going to shove over a checkraise.
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08-04-2014 , 09:14 AM
Is checking back being result oriented? If v is calling 3 bets with hands like 89o shouldn't hero be c-betting most flops. That said, I'm often lost at these sort of c/r spots
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08-04-2014 , 09:49 AM
no need to get lost. Before you c-bet, decide how you will react to a checkraise (are you bet/folding or bet/continuing right now?). If the checkraise comes (most players don't checkraise much so it doesn't come often), follow through with that plan.
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08-05-2014 , 01:17 PM
I think its safe to assume v is a lag. Lag's will typically play that flop like this with a good amount of air and pair/club str8 draw/club combos, as a semi bluff. He certainly can show up with sets/str8s/flopped flushes but given above info these hands are not a majority of his range. If he calls 3 bets 100% he's not just playing fit or fold unless hes braindead so we should also add in some air. Not much but some.

against his combo draws we have between 90% and 60% equity(roughly). Against a set we have 36% , straights 36%(roughly), flushes 28%, and for his air he is destroyed. I'm not gonna bother to stove it but your certainly a favorite against his range.

reraise to 700$ on the flop, and ship any turn. if your folding hands like this against villans like this, you shouldn't be playing.
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