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10-29-2017 , 12:02 PM
Hi All. One more standard hand for you. This was my first hand at the table, so no reads.

2 limpers, I raise to 20 in the cutoff.

Hijack and button (both older gentlemen) call.

Flop: A35cc

What's my play here? Bet into two callers, or check assuming someone has an Ace?

Thanks!

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10-29-2017 , 12:09 PM
2 callingranges combined will have a crapload of Ax combos in them, both suited and unsuited- so this a pretty clear flopcheck in my book.

If the flop goes checked around, we can navigate turns more easily with wider ranges and more information due to the flop got checked around chances goes way down that someone have an ace+.
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10-29-2017 , 01:30 PM
Bet as long they check to you. That's the way you make money. You raise regardless of your hand preflop as long your hand falls within your playable range. You raise all your hands either for value or raise even the less valuable hands because opponents try to limp ahead of you. Obviously this hand you raised for value and they limped and just called. They check on an Ace high flop so you bet again as a c-bet not necessarily to represent the Ace but to get the "first-action" indicator. In situations like this is much more likely they either missed the flop 66% of the time or they flop middle or bottom pair or they havs an unimproved pair instead of them having TP with the Ace.

Try to figure the probabilities on your own. missing the flop is always 66% + pairing the middle or + pairing the bottom or + having an unimproved pair. All those vs. pairing the Ace. So, from the top of my head I would say they are about 10% to flop TP. Since all weak limpers/callers relate their hand on the flop to the top card you very frequently can bet with confidence into two villains and take pots down.

I don't claim perfection but instead I claim the right to make a steady income playing poker-situations in NL.
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10-29-2017 , 05:23 PM
You didn't post stack sizes. (Hey, MoCo!)

Genghis: Hero is OOP, so they won't be checking to him. He has to act first.

Sometimes I bet here, sometimes I check. Against two players I am more likely to check. Heads up I will probably bet. If you check and they check behind they are less likely to have an ace up their sleeve and you can proceed with caution on the turn and bet non-K turns. If they bet the flop, well . . . they're OMCs so fold. With other players types I might get sticky for one street and re-evaluate on the turn hoping they check, try to bink a Q.
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10-29-2017 , 05:28 PM
Does 3-300 mean BB is 3 and max buyin is 300?
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10-29-2017 , 07:32 PM
I always c-bet with QQ in this spot. You will occasionally get called by worse. You prevent your opponents from bluffing you off your hand. If a queen turns you can continue barreling for fat value in a bigger pot now. All in all betting in this spot has been massively more profitable for me than checking. Massively +ev to c-bet vs check here.
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10-29-2017 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Leha
Does 3-300 mean BB is 3 and max buyin is 300?
Right, and I think there's a cap of 300 bet on river or something...apparently AZ doesn't allow true no limit.

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10-29-2017 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
You didn't post stack sizes. (Hey, MoCo!)

Genghis: Hero is OOP, so they won't be checking to him. He has to act first.

Sometimes I bet here, sometimes I check. Against two players I am more likely to check. Heads up I will probably bet. If you check and they check behind they are less likely to have an ace up their sleeve and you can proceed with caution on the turn and bet non-K turns. If they bet the flop, well . . . they're OMCs so fold. With other players types I might get sticky for one street and re-evaluate on the turn hoping they check, try to bink a Q.
MoCo represent! Haha Sorry, stack sizes were 300 effective, first hand of the session. Thanks for the reply (you and everyone)! Back to MD Live soon (or maybe Horseshoe or MGM haha).

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10-30-2017 , 10:38 AM
Betting seems terrible. C/c one street is fine especially if the bet comes from the button. If HJ bets then we get the benefit of seeing BTN's action, but I'm likely folding regardless since he's older.

Whether you have the Qc is also relevant.
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10-30-2017 , 10:56 AM
I’m only betting ace high flops with aces or bluffs. When you bet QQ here you will be beat 80%+ of the time you get called and if they fold you had the best hand 99% of the time.

Start with a check. Evaluate whether you want to call a bet. I’m generally folding to a bet from HJ and calling one street from button.
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10-30-2017 , 11:22 AM
Just to clarify, we're in cutoff right? So hijack already checked flop, and we're acting with just the button left behind us?

For those who bet here, what's your sizing, and what's your plan on turn when flop bet is called by button? Curious about plan for turn of 2 or 4, 3rd c, 2nd A, K, and total blank.
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10-30-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
I always c-bet with QQ in this spot. You will occasionally get called by worse. You prevent your opponents from bluffing you off your hand. If a queen turns you can continue barreling for fat value in a bigger pot now. All in all betting in this spot has been massively more profitable for me than checking. Massively +ev to c-bet vs check here.
This is poor advice, occasionally cbetting here for a small sizing would be fine but always cbetting here seems terrible.
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10-30-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamitontheriver
I’m only betting ace high flops with aces or bluffs. When you bet QQ here you will be beat 80%+ of the time you get called and if they fold you had the best hand 99% of the time.

Start with a check. Evaluate whether you want to call a bet. I’m generally folding to a bet from HJ and calling one street from button.
What kind of bluffs? You are face up and easy if thats how you play.

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Originally Posted by Eholeing
This is poor advice, occasionally cbetting here for a small sizing would be fine but always cbetting here seems terrible.
No it's not poor advice it just is illogical to you. I've ran the streets, I'm like a gto bot I know that this is the right play based on experience. If you have the preflop lead your range contains more aces than your opponents. You should be betting these flops 90% of the time and QQ here is no exception. Try it out and test the results. Bet, Bet, Bet!!!!!! Dont be scared guys!!!

Play against me with your weak ass game and I'm just going to take pots like this away from you.
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10-30-2017 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
What kind of bluffs? You are face up and easy if thats how you play.
zero or low equity bluffs that I have no problem folding to a raise and giving up when called. I don't think that makes it easy to play against me, but I suppose people could start floating me on the flop with any two and then betting when I give up turn.

Spoiler alert: That ain't happening.
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11-01-2017 , 10:51 PM
Thanks for the responses, all. Here's what I did:

Spoiler:
I checked, button bet 30, and I folded.
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11-02-2017 , 09:24 AM
Too weak. BTN is likely betting his whole range when checked to him on an Ace-high flop. c/c one street, evaluate turn is much better.
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11-02-2017 , 09:52 AM
They both have their merits. We're ahead of the field ATM, and protection is huge here so there's betting definitely does us some good even though we're behind calling ranges. Checking lets us wait to put money until our equity increases and lets some more 2nd pair hands come along. You could bet the QcQx and check the dry one.

Once we check and BTN bets, I'm honestly fine with a fold. We're in terrible shape against a range of made hands that dominate us and strong draws when we're OOP here, and our bluff catching range should be a lot stronger.
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