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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
This is at least the second time you mentioned we offer better IO by limping.
When we raise, we just created a lol SPR 2.7 pot. Seriously, good luck getting away from your TP. There will perhaps be some boards / action / etc. that you'll be able to get away, but most of the time you'll have an extremely difficult time not getting committed. And in attempting to straddle that line of committing / not-committing you'll often make another major error: offering great odds for worse hands to continue in a hugenormous pot where you're ahead. 5 opponents got 22:1+ IO; no one made much of a big mistake preflop with their speculative hands, and so long as they're not completely moronic postflop they should do ok. The more moronic your opponents are (hurp durping off postflop with any pair extremely multiway against the preflop raiser who continues into the world) then the less of a worry this will be (I'll let you decide who your opponents are).
If it happens to limp 6ways, the SPR will be a huge 16. There will need to be 4 or 5 postflop bets in order to get in stacks. I certainly hope we're not that terrible where that's our plan with TP. And meanwhile we have 3 postflop streets of runout / action / hand reading where we can make good decisions, instead of blindly facing commitment decisions on the flop like we do in the raised case. In a sense, you give the illusion of offering more IO, but in reality you don't (cuz you're never stacking off or even close to it with your one pair hands).
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https://upswingpoker.com/implied-odds-poker-strategy/]heres some math for you[/URL]. But the smaller your betting amounts, the larger potential value $X is. Which means more implied odds, because you need less probability of winning to justify continuing. You address that by: charging people.
Your logic is just so bad and contrived that I’m shocked more people don’t jump down your throat for it. Why are you somehow the only one making “big mistakes” postflop in the first example but not in the second? Why do you not want to stack off TPGK on a board like Q73 when it’s hard to beat KQ? That’s insanely profitable. That’s literally how micro stakes crushers online achieve monster win rates. I’m happy to bet twice in most situations to bet twice and try to stack the fish who played QTo because of “lol meaningless bb preflop”
And in reference to the above link, you totally throw away the numerator like it doesn’t exist. Who cares if in your ideal situation, you don’t get stacked if you flop TPGK and it’s no good? You still lose the same proportion of money as you stand to win. Actually, because you deliberately engineered a three street hand, you stand the chance to lose more relative to what you can win. Plus you’re more likely to fold the winner, a consideration you seem to forget
So why not post your own hands for critique? Instead of strawman arguments, we can discuss real situations.
Anyway, I’m done hijacking this thread. Don’t open limp OP
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