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12-02-2013 , 01:41 AM
Playing 10/25 HK$ game in Macao (roughly equal to 2/5$ game)

My villains:
Hawaii - tight aggressive solid villain who bets his good hands hard and seems to be good decent winner. Stack of 10k+, Up ~7k from the past 3 hours I've seen + played with him in the past so know he is good.

Korea - loose aggressive villain who chases draws, bluffs too often, plays way too many hands. Stack 5k, just rebought. Down 10k from the past 3 hours I've seen, spewing. Doesn't seem to care about money though and doesn't appear to be obviously tilted.

Hero - tight aggressive, won a big 3-way pot with top set and is up a lot from the game. I think both villains consider me a tight player. Stack of 13k+ thanks to the big hand previously.

Hawaii opens 75 from MP
Korea calls 75 from Button
Hero 3Bet 225 from BB with AJ
Both villains call

- I 3Bet since I know that Hawaii will fold major portion of his opening range and will not do lot of outrageous plays against me and since I've seen Korea will call 3Bets with suited connectors and suited aces.

Flop: J83
Pot: 685

Hero bets in 500
Hawaii calls
Korea calls

Turn: A
Pot 2185

Hero checks
Hawaii checks
Korea bets 1500 and has 2600 behind
Hero calls 1500
Hawaii folds

- I'm calling here since if Hawaii has a big hand, he comes raising now and I can fold and I don't think I earn any extra information by raise folding here. And I don't think I'm ever ahead if Hawaii wakes up on this hand now.
I'm aware that Korea might be on a draw. Korea has played a lot of suited rag aces, suited connectors and pocket pairs in the time so from my point of view it's also possible he has Ax and he is happy to bet it.

River: Q
Pot: 5185

Hero bets 2600

- Q helped a fairly narrow portion of his range: AQ, QQ, TJs 12 combos that I can think of.
- Betting since I'm not willing to give a free showdown to weak aces, knowing that busted flush draws will fold but hoping that it's not the case.

How is my line here?
3Bet with AJs OOP == Calling for a trouble?
Would turn be better leading with cbet or go for check-raising? How do you think of the check call and my reasoning for it?
What about my river lead? Would check/call be better?
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12-02-2013 , 04:03 AM
Preflop: I don't like the reraise. You just make Hawaii fold hands that you dominate. You're better off with him having A8-AT in his range here than folding them preflop. Now you've bloated the pot, are OOP, and strengthened Hawaii's range. You're better off reraising with 56 than AJ.

Flop: This was about the best you could hope for so no reason not to C-bet.

Turn: Given that Hawaii has just called and then checked turn, I'm not too worried about him at this point. If he shows up with 88 here that's poker. Barring that, I don't think there's further bets to be won from him at this point. If he had AK, he'd probably bet when checked to. Since Korea is bad and is likely to hold a draw, I'd just reraise him all in at this point. If he misses on the river, you potentially lose that bet as you now lead into him on river and force him to fold his busted draw. If he had bet that much on an ace, I can't see him folding on the turn there either. Korea doesn't sound like the type of player to bet/fold.

River: I think pretty standard once you're reached this point. You're plenty strong enough that he'd call with worse. Again though, you don't face this situation if you raise on the turn.
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12-02-2013 , 11:16 AM
Don't like the preflop raise but it's probably not terrible.

I think honestly I'm just getting it in on the turn. A8 and A3 or both in his range.
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12-02-2013 , 01:49 PM
I like pre, I like the flop, I hate the turn.

Majority of draws will check back and see a free card. 2p hands aren't folding and Jx hands can tilt call us on turn or even level themselves that we are on the draw. Just 2/3 pot or pot or even shove the turn (all are better than checking). As played, c/r all day on this turn. Seriously, when you check and V bets 2/5ths his stack, we need to be putting him AI like always.

So pre and flop are fine, you butchered the turn

River is obvious...
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12-02-2013 , 03:59 PM
I agree with above posters, but will just "ditto" dgiharris. Not much to add. Get it in on the turn.
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12-02-2013 , 04:14 PM
pre - 3b is fine, arguments can be made both ways but given your descriptions i'm on board.

flop - good

turn - i probably just bet here. you could get calls from Js, KQdd, KTdd and Axdd. i hate relying on people to bluff with their draws when checked to, especially when you appear unlikely to c/f given the action and the fact that its a multiway pot. i think the draws are happily checking behind here way too often. as played i'm absolutely check/raising. c/c definitely the worst of all options.

river - we now lose to QQ, KTdd and AQdd but there's still lots of value to be had from Jx, Ax, maybe even KQdd, so let's just bet/fold. i think your sizing is fine.
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12-02-2013 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
I like pre, I like the flop, I hate the turn.

Majority of draws will check back and see a free card. 2p hands aren't folding and Jx hands can tilt call us on turn or even level themselves that we are on the draw. Just 2/3 pot or pot or even shove the turn (all are better than checking). As played, c/r all day on this turn. Seriously, when you check and V bets 2/5ths his stack, we need to be putting him AI like always.

So pre and flop are fine, you butchered the turn

River is obvious...
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Originally Posted by diskoteque
pre - 3b is fine, arguments can be made both ways but given your descriptions i'm on board.

flop - good

turn - i probably just bet here. you could get calls from Js, KQdd, KTdd and Axdd. i hate relying on people to bluff with their draws when checked to, especially when you appear unlikely to c/f given the action and the fact that its a multiway pot. i think the draws are happily checking behind here way too often. as played i'm absolutely check/raising. c/c definitely the worst of all options.

river - we now lose to QQ, KTdd and AQdd but there's still lots of value to be had from Jx, Ax, maybe even KQdd, so let's just bet/fold. i think your sizing is fine.
So much this. You have to bet the turn, especially against a fish.

I think you are far too worried about Hawaii on the turn and not nearly focused enough on getting value from the table fish.
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12-02-2013 , 10:00 PM
Thanks for replies.

After lot of considerations, the Hawaii indeed should not be a problem when he checks after me..

Korea had T9 and rivered straight...
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