2/3, 400 effective, and I wouldn't mind comments on the flop and turn either but I think I played those streets effectively.

V is thinking, pretty good. Sat and started raising / 3 betting like no other. Table taught him to calm down pretty quickly, most other players are fit / fold, but we've had aces show up once every 10 minutes pretty consistently this morning.

Hand in question:

Hero: BTN: KThh.
folds to hero, raises to 13. V calls 10 more from BB. Pot 23.

Flop: Q89
V bets 15, I raise to 50. V calls. Pot 123.

Turn 7
V checks, I check back.

River 6
V bets 30. Hero?

Thoughts from myself so I don't seem entirely hopeless (just want a complete view from other thinking players, thanks in advance!)

V can be betting this with less than a straight. V realizes that this board ran out pretty scary for a TPGK/two-pair type hand, and would bet this. V knows that bluffing should be done with the lowest risk possible. V also may read me for weak, and be attempting to get small value out of a hand like TPGK, or at least it appears to me that V is representing this. Hero opts to raise this river, We've got some blockers to straights, and AQhh is blocked as well. What size doesn't fold out anything worse though? is 90 just too small for this spot? My initial sizing thought was just raising to (very near pot) to 135-150, but are we trying to get V to overshove, or just call? If V has flushes in his range, the most standard suited connectors are basically impossible given the board.

Pot is 163 now, we can probably extract another 50 or 60.

Villain was BB, he can have anything.

Unless he has air, then it doesn't matter.

is this the consensus?

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Is 13 a standard raise at this table? I'm not familiar with 2/3 but it seems a tad small.

Other than that hand is played fine. I make it 75ish OTR.

No one bets this turn?

bet fold to about 100 dollars

105

Raise to $80-$100 and call a raise

Yea how do we not bet the turn here. We picked up Extra equity also if we are ranging him on weak made hands then we might be able to semi bluff here.

Seems like river is confusing cause if you checked turn thinking he has a value hand that won't fold then obv we are ahead on river.

As played in betting big like 150.

I,don't like playing this hand vs villain here w him flatting from
The bb. he can have LOADs of hands that beat us otf turn and riv.
I call flop getting the right odds

Hate our seat. There's only one good player at the table and we're sitting 2-to-his-right 130bbs deep? Blah.

I would typically raise more preflop against fit/fold players cuz it makes our cbets more profitable. Against this guy's BB, I'm cooler with the smaller raise.

I don't hate the flop raise with our decent equity / assuming some FE against pair hands. But at the same time I get a little sick in my mouth if he re-raises because now we're typically getting in stacks as a decent dog. I might lean towards flatting here with this larger SPR (i.e. stacks behind are more worth winning, not the money already in the pot).

I'm cool with the check back on the turn. We got our money in fairly decently on the flop, now let's reap the benefits by seeing that river.

I probably raise to ~$100 on the river (which is about what I would have bet if checked to). If I'm shoved on, it's a gross spot, but 3bets on the river are nuttish, so I think I could manage a hero fold (especially with $200+ behind).

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I think that the question is more if V only has flushes in his range and more importantly if he calls with his non-flush hands.

If he only has flushes we're not looking so good especially since he's less likely to be playing 32s or 43s.
Hands we are behind 7: AJ, A8, A7, A5, A4, A3, A2
Hands we are ahead 5: J8, 87, 54, 43, 32

I think most people are assuming his range is more than just flushes and that he won't bluff/3-bet the river if he has the ace of hearts.

Yes, I'm assuming his range includes less than a flush. We want Villain to spazz with the Ah and given villain is a thinker, I try to look as nervous as possible while raising to $90, leaving room for V to shove.

There's the key to any River raise discussion. What hands that we beat are going to call and what is the best bet size to do that with? Too small, lost value or we get blown off our hand by a 3-bet. Too large, lost value or we are forced to call a raise with less chances of being ahead.

Was V planning on c/r the Turn? He most certianly should've been expecting a bet from us. He then bets out on a board that got worse.

Although you should take each street on it's own, I don't like to change gears in a hand very much. We raised PF and Flop, but were passive on Turn .. and then we raise on River? Unless V can put us on air often enough to call with 2pr/strt I would probably just call here. This is based on my regs and 'knowing' I'm only getting called (and winning) by J-flushes and raised by A-flushes.

In an 'unknown' room I am going to bet $85-95 OTT to give me a nice sized River bet of around $250 into $325 and if V shoves Turn we are pretty close to the right price to gii with our draws at 30% (250/825). If V is shoving with A8-flush, then we have OESD and overs to win. GL

If Villain 3bet shoves the river, it's closer to a fold than a call, imo.

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Grunch:

Never folding.
But I don't think that's what you're implying.

I'm likely raising to $100 here.
And often folding if 3bet otr.
Lots of worse hands (many of them misplayed) in his range that can still call a small value raise, but when he ships we are rarely good, and not often enough to call getting the price that we'd be getting.

Probably, I guess I shouldn't let the villain description cloud my judgement. Based on the description it seems like he could ship as a bluff but then again...this...is...LLSNL!!!

Chances are we're not good if we get shoved on. Thanks for bringing me back to earth GG,

Don't like the check back OTT with your monster draw...build that pot. OTR it's tricky...it's possible a T bets this, maybe 2p or a set...the question is will you get worse to call if you raise? The answer is probably not because it's a scary enough board that 2p and sets insta muck and T's are basically forced to fold...unless maybe JT.