Villain is absolute whale in every single way. Playing anything he fancies from any spot for (within reason) any amount.

1/3 £6 straddle in place.
Whale open utg for 20. Fold to me in mp I make it 100 with khkc.
Whale snap call.

Flop (250~) 989hh. Whale check I bet 175 whale make it 360 after a 5 second pause.
V started hand with 1k. I have him covered. Not sure if it matters but V already stuck ~500, not at all worried about it he seems very rich.

Best line from here please

What a cringe worthy title at these stakes....

I think we often flat and pray vs this vil type, keep his bluffs in, maybe fold on an 8 turn otherwise gii . Once again only doing this because of this vil type. Probably not a shame in getting it in otf, he can easily have Qq-Tt and play through from the sound of it.

How many 9s is he flatting with a 3b?

Hes probably not hand reading very will and may be overplaying TT-QQ or some kind of FD+ overs or combo draw.

Wrong question to ask. Whale by definition is probably going to call 3bet with most of his opening range if not all.

Why would he overplay it on the flop when he could do it pre-flop?

Need more tendencies to say.

Just not enough information to put 300bb in the middle unless game flow dictates.

I think weighing the likelihood of 9x versus the combos of draws and over pairs he have can help in making a decisions


Could you make an argument that he may overplay on flop because it is a "safe" flop?

I think sometimes players will think "of there is no K/A on the flop I'm going to GII with my QQ" or something like that.

In other words, V called 3bet pre because he wants to keep H's range wide to include AK, so that he could target AK on the flop?

I don't think I need to make an argument to counter that.

I don't think a lot of these really bad whales are doing any hand reading really.

I truly believe a lot of the time they are thinking "I want to see a safe flop and then I'll get it in"

From here I think stacks are always going in. It looks like that's what your plan was.

The pot was 250 on the flop. You bet 175, when called the pot is going to be 600 with 650 behind. If your plan was to bet 70%-pot on the turn the pot is going to be 1440 with 210 behind on the river.

The die is cast, it's too late to play a small pot. Are you wondering whether to shove now, or shove the turn? I don't think there's a best line from this point, all lines arrive in the same place. Isn't that what you wanted?

Need more reads. Has this guy been agro? Based off of OP's description, he hasn't mentioned any maniac tendencies, just that he's a huge whale willing to call off his stack.

In my experience, bad low stakes players would never raise 10-QQ here on a paired board. Even the worst of the worst of LLSNL players know that an 80 dollar raise pre-flop, at 1-3, is definitely a premium hand, AK, at the very worst. If he was agro, then he could be raising here to "see where's he's at" against AK, but have we seen him bluff?

OP doesn't say what his image is, but my guess is that he has been playing snug due to the whale being a massive calling station. OP also doesn't mention if villain is an agro maniac. Even though he is a total donk, that doesn't mean he just going to decide to start getting aggressive after hero has shown super strength. Villian is basically signaling to hero that he has a hand good enough to beat hero's overpair. His raise on the flop is saying he's ready to play for stacks. He would not be trying to play for stacks with 10's-QQ's in this spot, facing hero's huge re-raise preflop.

This is a fold. So many better spots to stack this villain.

Specifics please. Whales come in all shapes and sizes. Some are docile beasts that just swim around and eat plankton and stuff. Others are fearless killers that will attack anything for a meal.

in a previous session I saw him put ~700 in on flop with a2 on aq4 rainbow.

I agree that this looks so much like a 9. I had a bit of a read that it was a 9 also lol but just felt like I had to put it in. Counting all hearts combos and 10-qq I can't imagine a point in the hand where I can fold.
This guy was really a big big spot in the game loses 1000s weekly. 1/3 is about as small as he will play.

I think the only hands he plays this was are jj-qq and big heart draw / straight draw. Does anyone actually fold on this flop? I think trying to soul read whales in the long run will cost money

By far, the most sensible post in this thread.

Just a quick note here, it should not be about the absolute value of the money but rather BBs. With a straddle to 6$, you are playing 160bb effective.

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I think the overwhelming majority of players at this level need trips or better to play a flop like this aggressively. Need specific reads to decide if he plays back with overpair. Then we can build a range and get an idea where our equity is.