Play is 9 handed. I am 100bbs deep as are both villains in hand.

I decide to limp behind with ATo in MP. Wasn't really happy trying to isolate, table is really fishy etc... didn't want to go to the flop with a low spr given I'm probably getting 4 callers if I make it £5 pre.

Few limpers behind me and then the sb completes and the BB checks.

Flop is T22 two tone flop.

Limper leads for £2 into Limped pot of around £3. I decide to make it £9 for value pretty happy that the guy hadn't limped a big PP as he was playing fairly abc preflop and I felt I was definitely getting called by worse.

Is this good? bad? I suck live.

Guy in the SB then cold calls my £11. Action back to inital bettor who shoves for £50 and the action is on me. Player in the sb I had previously seen flat 2 streets with 88 on T72K in a raised pot so I wasn't too sure about his range but I believe it has some 2x (given his complete), some worse Tx and maybe even some underpairs (he is pretty bad). When the initial bettor shoved all in I called. Thoughts on this? I think he can take this line with fds, Tx, 2x, and weirdly played overpairs although given my read I think 2x and overpairs are unlikely as he seemed at least semi competent pre flop.

Should I be worried about calling here with SB left to act behind.

All comments appreciated. Sorry for the long winded post. Not really sure how to construct live poker hands.

FoldnDark made a nice post about hand templates - but this is ok.

I don't mind your raise for value. Very unlikely a EP opener has a 2 or an over pair. However, I am very worried about the SB call. I know he is bad, but that doesn't mean he doesn't understand that a bet and a raise means strength. Plus, he calls in the SB - which is the most likely place (and BB) where a 2 can be played that isn't A2 or K2s. So, I would fold when it comes back to me.

I hate the preflop limp TBH.

FYP.

question, is this a fold with A10 at a looose table that calls everything, or would you raise it up?


back to the hand, i like your raise for value, but after the guy shoves id be kinda leery that one of them has the deuce. fold it.
remember, it was a limped pot so they can have almost anything.

I think AT is a pretty standard raise from MP in a loose live game. Players call with so many dominated hands that it outweighs the other reverse implied odds spots which you should be able to think yourself out of.

Don't really like the flop raise, pot is small and you have absolutely no information regarding all the other players who are live in this hand (in large part a function of it being a limped pot). But if you're raising the flop it's a clear raise/fold, especially when SB flats the raise.

I have at least one of the villain's on a deuce here like 80% of the time. Live players will limp with anything suited... You're not really in all that great of shape even if you're right and villain shoved with a FD (probably contains at least one overcard), and you said he could have slowplayed a big PP too. I fold and hope he shows me I was right.

FWIW, I don't hate your limp, but I'd do it hoping to hit 2pair (not this kind) or better and go to valuetown, or if I do hit this kind of flop and someone donks out, I'm probably not going to raise without really good villain reads because I've usually got to fold if anyone fights back. Maybe I'll bet for value if he checks the turn, since he's probably got a weaker T or FD.

Thanks for all the help and advice. I think I get a little trapped into the mindset of "oh it's 25p/50p live game everyone is awful" when I play live not realising that even though they are dribblers they of course still have hands. I also have trouble because playing online you primarily enter HU or 3way raised pots whereas live there's a ton more limped pots or MW action because people don't like to fold pre. These are all things I need to adjust to and the advice itt will help so ty for that.

I fold AT alot in my live game, to many times you flop TP and not sure were you stand.

AT= The Armless Boxer... what can it beat?
KT= its cousin, it can't kick or punch

anyway... one of them like always has a deuce and I mean always. This is an easy fold given action. I limp with AT a lot (that a whole bunch of other hands) but I am very careful not to value town myself. I play it very slow. Raising is not bad though.

In MP with a loose table that is just going to call a raise, I'd let it go. You're really looking to flop two pair or trips with it. That will happen less than 3% of the time. If you limp, you have to on average collect 34BB each time to make it +EV. That's hard to do in a limped pot when nobody has much of a hand. Any straight draws will be gutshots and you have no FD possibilities unless the flop is monochrome (and means that everyone will freeze). Top pair, as seen in this situation has to be played gingerly because there are too many chances you're beat.

Raising isn't much better because if it is that loose, you have no FE on the flop if you miss.

I'd rather play lots of suited connectors before ATo in this situation.

It's all about making the wrong moves at the right times...

iso PF, as played this is a pretty easy fold imo

Lol what? Where did that quote come from, I don't know why but it cracks me up.

snap fold this flop. no problem.

Me too. I fold preflop.

It's a bad hand, a bad position, and a bad situation.

The SPR is so high, there's no good line.