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.25/.50 TPTK insta muck flop? .25/.50 TPTK insta muck flop?

09-04-2010 , 11:44 AM
7 handed ... Hero is in the BB with AKo. $40 villains cover.

V1 = loose. I have seen him limp call a raise with Q6s. I have also seen him raise from the blinds with Q9o. Plays probably 55% of hands, 25% for a raise. I have seen him play draws aggressively.

V2 = loose passive to a fault. Limps everything. 90%+ hands. Lost a hand with AA where he called a raise preflop with 5 ppl in the hand. Lost with a 4 card straight. I have seen him chase broadway gutshots for any bet. I have never seen him raise a hand except on the river with a made hand.

Hero: Tight. Approaching Rocky. I have been getting horrible hands int he 1 hour I have been sitting.

Preflop: V1 raises to $2.50 preflop and is called in 3 spots. Hero calls in the BB. I wanted to raise, but a few reasons why I did not. 1) I would be out of position. 2) I felt I could disguise my hand. Others at the table are probably not noticing that I am playing so few hands. 3) I had no fold equity against the three other players in the hand. I thought V1 and V2 would call their stack off light with an A or K in their hands if I hit.

Flop: KT6x ($10) SPR: 3.7ish

I decide that the best way to get my stack in against these passive players is the check raise flop and shove or shove turn. Button player (v3) will certainly bet if checked to him with ATC. V1 and/or V2 will also bet if they have a K. V1 the original raiser will probably bet QQ or JJ too.

I check and V1 bets $2.50. V2 calls. Button folds.

I bet $15 into $15. I feel original raiser is weak with a flop bet of so little. I want V2 to have to pay for his obv draw.

MP1 shoves. V2 calls. I have $22 left.

Ranges:
MP1 could have AK, TT, two clubs, QJ. Outside chance of KK or KT.
MP2 could have a weak K, QJ or 2 clubs.

Hero? Shove and pray or puke fold with half my stack in the center?
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09-04-2010 , 11:53 AM
Couldn't complain about either decision. The spot is gross. On the one hand, you've check/raised a multiple player field on the flop, indicating big strength, and subsequently gotten 3-bet shoved on, followed by a call. They like their hands and don't care about yours, meaning you're in trouble pretty often (or fading a combo draw)

On the other hand, they're both bad players, you have a disguised TPTK, and 45% of your stack is already in the middle.

I'd hate it but I'd call and pray.

Based on the post I'd imagine you don't have the Ac. Makes a difference here.
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09-04-2010 , 12:05 PM
I think I had AsKd
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09-04-2010 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Couldn't complain about either decision. The spot is gross. On the one hand, you've check/raised a multiple player field on the flop, indicating big strength, and subsequently gotten 3-bet shoved on, followed by a call. They like their hands and don't care about yours, meaning you're in trouble pretty often (or fading a combo draw)

On the other hand, they're both bad players, you have a disguised TPTK, and 45% of your stack is already in the middle.

I'd hate it but I'd call and pray.

Based on the post I'd imagine you don't have the Ac. Makes a difference here.
These were my thoughts too. Do you like the C/R on the flop? Should I have bet less to make my decision easier?
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09-04-2010 , 12:45 PM
No flop check/raise seems fine. The right move sometimes blows up in your face, not much you can do about it.

Not having the Ac means that the AcQc AcJc or Ac6c combo draws are possible, as are the dry AcXc flush draws. Means you beat more stuff, the negative though is that you don't have the backdoor nut flush as an avenue out of town if you run into a big hand.
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