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.25/.50/<img  c/r, jam in home game with lots of history, deepish stacks - ranges? .25/.50/<img  c/r, jam in home game with lots of history, deepish stacks - ranges?

07-15-2014 , 06:00 PM
8 handed home game with players of a variety of skill levels.
V1: Talented player, usually plays extremely LAG but recently has been toning it back a bit. Capable of big calls, has a wide opening range, probably continuation bets too much. Will attack weakness, knows that scare cards increase bluffing frequency. Has usually erred on the side of calling, but toned down a good bit lately. Occasionally takes very weird lines for value to induce. Can get aggressive in spots where range appears polarized with a merged range to induce light jams. Just had a conversation the night before with hero about calling down heads up match against V2 on JT526 with QT, where he said he had to call because V2 was good enough to triple on none scare cards, because he knows V1 gives more credit to barrels on none scare cards.
History: tightish/ABC player opens in EP, V1 calls, hero calls, others fold. Flop 247, ABC checks, V2 bets 2/3 pot, hero raises 3x, ABC folds, V1 calls, turn 4, V1 checks, hero bets, V1 folds and says he folded a 7, while hero says he had air.

V2: Also talented player, very loose preflop with raising and 3betting, good understanding of leverage, does not continuation bet as much as most players and occasionally checks back decent equity draws such as gutshots+overs or small flush draws to disguise. Has been 3bet isolating a couple loose/fit or fold players at the table and cbetting a lot to take it down. Won a large pot vs V1's 27o with aces on 257 by backdooring a straight and has been needling V1 about it.

All 3 know about leveling and talk about poker together a lot.

Stacks:
Hero: $200
V1: $200
V2: $120


V2 straddles UTG, folds to V1 in the c/o who opens to $3.50, button flats, hero flats in the sb, V2 3bets to $12.50 (smaller than typical sizing for V2), V1 flats, button folds, hero flats.
Thoughts: V1s range is fairly wide for calling here, especially given sizing. He will 4bet bluff hands like K3s and TT+, sometimes flat AK/AQ. V2 will definitely squeeze light here, but his sizing makes that slightly less likely.
Flop: 379 ($41.50)
Hero checks, V2 bets $24, V1 calls, hero raises to $58, V1 tank/folds, V2 asks for a count (about $120), tank/calls.
Thoughts: On a not very draw heavy board, sizing is to threaten stacks on the turn, and I don't think we have to go any bigger. V1 can have 8T, 68, any 9 in his preflop range (which is a lot of gappers but mostly suited, ie 97s but not 97o), some sets.
Turn: 5 ($183.50)
Hero jams ~$125

I know I haven't said heroes cards. What, if any, should be in heroes range?
34s, 45s, 56s, 57s, 67s, 78s, 89s, 9Ts, J9s, A3s, A7s, A9s, JTs, Axs, A2s-5s, 64s, 68s, 8Ts, 33, 77, 99, TT+
For the suited cards, only turned draws?

Thoughts on sizing?
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07-15-2014 , 06:41 PM
I can't figure out how to edit, but the 27 game was on, thus lowering the ridiculousness of the AA vs 27 hand.
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07-16-2014 , 06:55 AM
I think the reason you don't have any responses is three-fold.

1) Formatting and length. That's a lot to read, especially jumbled together.

2) Too much to ask. Not just sizing and action, but if we agree with those, what should hero's range be?

3) and much more importantly, the dynamics in this game are super specific. I really don't think that we can help you here without knowing the players much better than even your detailed descriptions tell us. There's just too much history and leveling wars.

I don't love the min c/r OTF, unless it's meant to induce, TBQH, but maybe against these guys there's a good reason for it. It does leave a decent amount behind for the turn shove. Not much FE OTF though, so this should really only be value hands with basically no semi-bluffs. Since board is so dry, c/r with value hands is FPS with SPRs left after PF 3-bet.
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07-16-2014 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
3) and much more importantly, the dynamics in this game are super specific. I really don't think that we can help you here without knowing the players much better than even your detailed descriptions tell us. There's just too much history and leveling wars.
There was a point in time when I thought about actually prohibiting home game hands from this forum for that reason. The reality is we can't help you in a game where you're actually thinking about calling pf with low offsuit one gappers oop and c/r with gutshot draws on the flop. They might be the right plays with your buddies. They are a disaster in 99.999% of other games.
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