Hero is SB with $330
V1 is BB with $100
V2 is Straddle with $75
V3 is Double Straddle with $400
V4 has $700+

V2 is straddle for $5, V3 is double straddle for $10, V4 calls, I call with AQo, BB folds, V2 goes all in for $75, V3 thinks for a minute and says alright V2 lets do it, V4 calls rather quickly, Now I have 320 total and can shove for $255 on top.

I play with V3 and V4 twice a week and they are both very very loose.

One hand I played with V3

I raise to 25, 2 callers, V3 raises to 100, folds, I go all in for $500, 2 folds, he thinks for 20 seconds or less and calls with K8o.

Hes also done very similar with A2o against someone else.

V4 is also extremely loose and we've had a ton of hands together and hes known as the maniac at the table. I cant even begin to explain some of the hands Ive seen him play. He can literally have any 2 cards.

V2 is sort of tight but very unorthodox and can make loose wierd plays.

Now I didnt raise initially because I raise and typically get 2 callers and now Im OOP with a really big pot and Im not connecting often with AQo and calling stations.

Shove from V2 can be a ton of hands my guess is 77+ AJ+ ATs+ KQs and I think that range is way on the tight side. I could see him spazzing here with some wierd suited cards too.

Sounds like an action game, but I just lay it down here mostly because of V4. You're about a 40% chance to win with AQo against 3 random hands at best and I don't think either of the live players fold to your shove.

Fold pf when it gets to you the first time. AQo in the SB is a RIO hand. In addition, the SPR of around 8 is a miserable place to play, especially oop with 3 villains.

If your ranges are correct, then when it comes around again to you, just shove. You have no room to move and are certainly getting the right odds to gamble. In a 4 way pot, 40% equity makes it a highly +EV move. You know V3 doesn't have a great hand or he would have raised. The RIO issue has disappeared because there are no more IO.

I'm always trying to learn and love reading thought processes..

wouldn't you agree at best he's a coinflip with V4 who is never folding to a shove? Or do you think V4 is going away with a shove? Or do you think Hero has a better hand than V4.. it sounds to me you are comfortable playing for stacks on a coinflip or possibly being dominated by AK..

The EV numbers might make sense to shove, but when it comes down to it I guess it really matters how much gamble you have and how much losing a BI hurts you.

Edit: still curious on your thoughts, but I reread op and saw V4 is very loose, so AQ may very well be the best hand, and a shove does look a little better if that is a strong read

Yes, it is a coin flip. However, there's a ton of dead money in the pot which makes this a +EV move. If he folds, even better. He may look at this as you slow playing AA pf (happens a lot at 1/2) and decide to fold a better hand. Note, 22 is a better hand than AQ. I'm not worried about AK because AK generally isn't going to call raises twice pf. If he's calling with a non-paired hand, the OP will have it dominated.

TBH, if you make a decision based on the fact you losing a BI will hurt, then you shouldn't be playing cash at that level. It will cost you a fortune.

with these reads I aint getting away from the hand. And if your worried about the guy behind, why not isoraise? Sometimes he might have trapped with a nice hand, but realistically not often at all.

imho we are not going to be against 3 players but 2 max, preferably 1.
V2 is not a factor since he is either all in once we give a significant raise or is out. if we raise big enough we should at least some of the times end up with only V3 or V4, but even against two players OOP i don't think AQ is just a hand to muck.

Good discussion so far. My reads are pretty accurate, we play a lot together. The only thing that is shaky is the range I gave to V2 and I think that may even be on the tight side.

I am not worried at all about losing a buy in, Its not that uncommon to be in the game for 900 and walk out up money. Its a very juicy 1/2 game and you can get your money back in a few hands easily. You cant play in this game and care about $300 or more.