Super loose game, new to the table at a grungy old casino in Calgary I've never been at before.

Hero: playing very tight and have only been in 2 hands the last 45 minutes, though my raises didn't get any respect pf and I had 4-5 callers each time. ~200 pf

Villian: very loose, limps every pot and calls every raise pf, has shown down some odd hands like q5s but has gotten lucky enough to hit and build his chips up. ~500 pf

Pf: 5 limpers ahead of me (including villian in utg+1), hero is otb with A8s also limps, small blind completes his option, big blind checks.

Flop: AQ9 rainbow (none of my suits), utg checks, villian bets out 10, 3 folds, I call, blinds and utg fold. Now hu with villian.

Turn: K, villian bet 40, hero calls

River: 3 blank (no flush poosibilities), villian leads out for 100, that would leave me with ~50 if I call.

Question: fold or call river?

Limping pre is marginal. I don't mind limping with a suited ace, but aside from flopping some type of draw continuing with a top pair hand against 3 streets of betting is a bit spewish.
We aren't beating anything he's value betting here. We basically have a strong bluff catcher so it comes down to how often you think villain is bluffing in this spot. (I'd suspect not often)

I honestly think its a turn fold, therefore river would def be a fold. JT got there on the turn, better aces... tons of two pair broadway combos... etc etc etc.

So in conclusion your options this hand would be :
Fold pre
Fold turn

I would have folded the turn. The river is an easy fold. You chop with weaker aces and everything else crushes you.

Mercury....you think this is a fold pre? That is nuts....must have drank too much mercury. I would definately call OTB and would even sometimes raise if my image is very tight. Seeing a flop for 1bb when you can make the nuts is the NUTZ. Never fold this pre for 1bb, especially OTB.

As played, I would sometimes call flop, sometimes fold. Fold turn.

Not sure if it makes much of a difference or not but villian has been playing literally every hand and was betting very strongly into the pot, from what i've read he's trying to act strong........meaning he's weak. Iran he slammed the 100 bet down hard. Make a read difference? That is the only reason I was considering calling.

Ps, texting on my iPhone so making tons of spelling errors.

I also usually limp on the button here with all these limpers and try to hit a big hand for cheap. I might mix it up with a raise once and a while.

This may be too weak but I think I just fold the flop before quickly becoming committed to the hand. Villain is betting into the world on a fairly drawless board (other than JT which our two pair would complete). I'm limping these weak suited aces to flop a draw or two pair; I'm not looking to get into a pissing contest of call down.

GmrfoldyG

Wha? A suited Ace on the button in a limped pot against a large field? I'm often limping quite a lot of crap hands here (such as offsuit gappers), let alone ones as stellar as suited aces. I was under the impression that folding here would be a crime?

Gmrweakloose,apparentlyG

Yes, with 100b stacks, it's totally standard to limp a suited ace on the button after a bunch of limpers. Offsuit gappers are more questionable; I'd say that depends on your post flop skills and how bad the other players are.

Hence why I said its marginal, and not a definite either way.

OP obviously doesn't like to let go of his hand when he hits top pair with a weak ace.... and with players like that it's not a terrible thing to fold it to avoid a marginal situation post flop. Our range pre from every position needs to be adjusted based on our post flop skills / table dynamic / and other factors. We have to be honest with ourselves about our post flop ability and what type of boards we like continuing on or shutting down on.

OP seems to be the type of player that overvalues top pair in this situation. Until he fixes that about his game it's not a bad idea to totally cut out limping the suited ace, no matter how criminal you guys think it would be.


For myself and I am sure many others here folding pre WOULD be a crime... but I also firmly understand that given the action that the turn is a fold and definitely the river. OP obviously doesn't know that or he wouldn't have posted this, ldo.


Does that explain it better?

River is a fold. The guy may be a loose nut, but it isn't hard for him to be ahead here. Big Ax, random two pairs, JT, sets all beat us. We chop with any other Ace, so it's tough to envision a scenario where we drag the entire pot, people don't fire three streets in this fashion with Q4s

Yes, your explanation makes perfect sense. And if we're in the habit of calling down these hands in situations like this then I agree we'd be better off folding them preflop.