2/5 ~1k effective
Villain is a solid player
I am perceived as a solid player
Villain opens UTG to $20. I 3b QhQd UTG+1 to $60
Reasoning for 3 betting.. a lot of loose passive players at the table that will call behind if I just call. Also will fold out hands with equity like KQo AJo etc..
Folds around to villain who 4bets to $170
This makes his range very thin. I don't think he can do this with any bluff hands like A5-A9s so his range is KK+AK. Because he is a solid player and will be aware if I am over folding and could possibly exploit me (not super likely though) I think that QQ is definitely a call. JJ and worse is dicey because I believe his range is so narrow here. With all that being said I call
($340) Flop 3s4s5h
Villain bets $165. I expect villain to Cbet his perceived range 100% so I call and see a turn.
($670) turn 4c.
Villain thinks for a minute then jams for $649. I think that the only bluffs that he can have here are AKss and maybe a spazzy AK that has a gutshot but not likely.
Is this a fold 100% of the time? Maybe fold to the 4b if I don't plan on going with it on safe boards vs his perceived range?
I think just folding pre is best. I think a lot of players would not even 4bet AK in this spot, so I'd discount that in his range. It's also very difficult to realize your equity when you have a range disadvantage and villain could have a strong hand on any board. He can simply keep pushing the range advantage as he did in this hand.
If you call preflop, flat turn fold river is probably best, but you're relying on villain to slow down with AK.
There is no “answer” here. Either you think he has enough AK to make calling +EV or you don’t.
Not sure why Chris wants to discount AK but this guy’s 4! range is most likely KK+/AK and maybe some A5s.
It also depends what he thinks of you and whether you can make those “good folds” with QQ/JJ here when he’s repping KK+. A good balanced player is going to be 4! most combos of AK pre so it comes down to whether he double barrels them.
I click call here. You kept him as wide as you could and just gotta hold on for dear life. It would be helpful to know what you think his $20 UTG range looks like.
Pre is the most interesting decision here. I may just flat the first time around and play a super cautious hand if it gets multiway as I’m not a big fan of playing super narrow range vs. super narrow range.
fold pre is the move here, but your other option is click it back 5 bet to 280 if he is playing anything other than KK+/AK, because he will shove with KK+, and youll crush his capped calling range.
johnny, LLSNL games vary a bit in that regard. I know there are places where basically everyone at the table would have AK in their 4bet range there. Where I'm from, easily a majority of players would not 4bet AK there. They're very passive games generally preflop. You're right that there's no answer, you have to know what the local metagame is. In this thread, what makes me think that AK should be discounted is that OP is adamant that he doesn't have any suited aces type bluff hands in his range. I think a player incapable of doing that is also pretty unlikely to 4bet AK, just from my experience of player archetypes.
There is no “answer” here. Either you think he has enough AK to make calling +EV or you don’t.
^This
This only thing is the OP has to decide what a "solid" player is to him. If a solid player is going to 4 bet AK pf and make a big bet on this flop (super low where he's likely to be against an overpair), then you call.
You don't have to always 3bet QQ vs an UTG raiser 10 handed but it's defiantly standard.
Vs a solid player - I am 3betting and probably fold to the 4bet vs an UTG open from a solid player. He sometimes gets a bluff through or a hand like AK but it stops you from getting coolered and at 2/5 your money comes from fish. If he was a CO or BTN open I probably am not folding.
If I do decide to call - I am going to be folding on that flop. we beat TT JJ and AK and lose to KK and AA and we don't block any of those hands.
Also your 3bet size is small - I might 4bet you just because you 3bet so tiny and I can get away with a cheap 4bet.
You also gotta know your image vs him. If he thinks he superior he will 4bet you way wider. People don't 4bet light vs players they are scared of .
Given our absolute positions, I'm either/or on 3betting QQ UTG+1 against a solid player's UTG open. If I'm 3! though, its a 3!/fold. You're not deep enough to set mine against that sizing, and he should be much less likely to be 4! bluffing when its an UTG/UTG+1 dynamic. If he's capable of 4! light and barrelling off here in a spot where almost no players ever fold overpairs, all power to him.
He must have a really good read on you for you to think he is bluffing off his stack with AK to get you to fold.
you got the flop and turn cards you wanted
what was your plan before calling his 4 bet pre flop?
flying by the seat of your pants is how not to play for stacks.
if you know he will c-bet 90% of flops
consider your action before calling pre
A or K fold
Q yippee
all low cards now what?
giving stack sizes fold pre and find a better spot
