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12-28-2010 , 07:36 PM
Villain is aggro.

I have 105, villain covers. Preflop, a limper and villain raises to 15, I call in the SB w/ 88. Flop comes 954. I check, villain bets 35, I raise all in.
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12-28-2010 , 08:21 PM
by making this tourney style fe play you allow your opponent to play perfectly against you meaning he fold AK but calls with QQ
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12-28-2010 , 08:38 PM
Reload pre, fold pre (not getting right odds), flop is c/f given stack size.
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12-28-2010 , 08:54 PM
fold pre. your stack sucks compared to the flops that will come too much.
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12-28-2010 , 10:17 PM
Fold preflop, really? I'd agree if we had 55-22...

Flop, its typically a check call, but villain pots it, is that why you guys say flop is a fold? You'd agree if villain bet 1/2 pot, it'd be a call on the flop right? I just felt I'd be pot committed if I check called, so might as well shove...

After doing the math though, I now know the shove was wrong if I were to assume villain folds 35% of the time and calls 65% of the time.
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12-29-2010 , 12:49 AM
assuming you call pre, there's 45 in the pot and you have 90 left.

You check, he pots 45 (90 in the pot), you shove 90 (180 in the pot) and he has to call 45 more to win 225 total.

You tell me if your stack sucks? He can easily call even with AK here and rarely folds, and will always call with 10-10 plus.

therefore, fold pre.

btw, you didn't say what the limper did, i assumed in this hand he called.
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12-29-2010 , 01:16 AM
we really need to be folding this pre. calling it in the SB is the worst play.. i would prefer a 3bet here. but really we have to fold.

+1 for topping up as well. any reason you were playing short?

TBH if we're flatting pre, i'm prolly getting it in here, but this whole hand is just blahh
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12-29-2010 , 01:47 AM
I don't get it why vs agro villain we have to fold pre assuming villain is not utg or smth like that

if he really is agro we crush his range
yes stack size is not optimal but so be it
What do you assume his bet frequency to be on this board

I think it is probably very high as he don t expect you to have strong pair

the crai is I think ok given board and agro read
given stacks he is not folding much but will be in bad shape a lot
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12-29-2010 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by yodachoda
Fold preflop, really? I'd agree if we had 55-22...

Flop, its typically a check call, but villain pots it, is that why you guys say flop is a fold? You'd agree if villain bet 1/2 pot, it'd be a call on the flop right? I just felt I'd be pot committed if I check called, so might as well shove...

After doing the math though, I now know the shove was wrong if I were to assume villain folds 35% of the time and calls 65% of the time.
what range do you give him for it to be not right?
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12-29-2010 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by crunchh
I don't get it why vs agro villain we have to fold pre assuming villain is not utg or smth like that

if he really is agro we crush his range
if this is the case, repop pre and shove all flops. in SB flatting just sucks
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12-29-2010 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 8o8
if this is the case, repop pre and shove all flops. in SB flatting just sucks
When you do that he will play obtimal vs you
he is not folding better. His 3 bet calling range likely to be ahead or flipping with you and he will give you action on flop everytime you are beat and probably never when ahead unless you have set

not sure it is best hand to 3 bet with (i like a more polarised range)

Open to discuss further
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12-29-2010 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by crunchh
His 3 bet calling range likely to be ahead or flipping with you
his 3bet calling range will be very similar to his PFR range. i only said 3bet based on your assessment that we are "crushing his range" (referring to his raising range). so it only works if villain is raising connectors and various suited garbage. we're 3betting for value. villains like this rarely fold to 3bet live.

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Originally Posted by crunchh
not sure it is best hand to 3 bet with (i like a more polarised range)
when we're deeper, yes. a polarized 3betting range is spew when we're short stacked IMO.

when we're this short, we have to either reraise for value against villain's PFR range, or fold. in almost all cases, i would do the latter. (so i agree this is not a good 3betting hand)
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