This hand happened about 3 hours into the session in a 1-1-2 game at a local card room. The button places a mandatory $1 very hand. As an FYI - I’ve been on a downswing with 3 losing sessions behind me (down 4 buy-ins), but this session has been pretty good so far. Won a couple of big pots at showdown and up a buy-in, so playing 200 bigs deep now.

Villain in this hand is an old gentleman in his 50s, white guy. He has been limping a lot pre-flop, but hasn’t really gotten crazy post flop. One read that I have picked up on is that when he bets flop, he bets turn a high % of the time and seeing the few had he has taken to showdown, I can say that when he bets turn, he is surely betting TP+. I haven't seen him barrel with air, draws, combo draws yet. No x/r so far.

My assumption is that he views me as a decent TAG player. I’ve won a few small-medium pots with raises on the flop/turn and I’ve usually got the goods at showdown. Been playing tight so far and IP most of the time.

OTTH:

Pre-flop: Hero (~400) and V covers.
Hero dealt 35 on button
EP raises to 6, V calls from MP, a couple of callers behind V and I call 5 more on the button. BB calls.

Flop (31, after rake): J26
Checks to V, who bets 12
Flods to me, I call. I think folding is perfectly fine, but with gut-shot and potential bak draw with position over V, I thought this was fairly standard, once we decide to play 35s pre-flop.
Others fold and heads up to turn.

Turn (65): 7
Board: J267
V leads 40
Hero raises to 100. I’m raising here as a semi bluff after turning additional potential equity against V’s range of TP+, trying to get him to fold his Jx, with plans to bet for value when the flush gets there and plan to re-eval if the river bricks. Mostly plan to give up if river bricks, because I doubt V’s range has only a naked J that gets to the river wth this action.

River (265): 8
Board: J2678
V checks.
Hero - ?

What is the best play here after V checks to us? I have just a tad bit more than the river pot size (~280)

Please critique my play on other streets as well.

Looking for responses here please... specifically around turn play and what's our sizing on river (if we bet) or check back and get to showdown?

Won't comment on pre.

Flop call is not good except/unless you believe you have a much larger than usual amount of implied odds. It's not terrible given Vs description that he will barrel and the straight is sort of disguised.

Turn is horribad. V as described has a hand, he's not folding to that bet so we are simply bloating the pot hoping we hit. You would have to bet much larger, but that is insanely risky IMO. You don't have nearly direct odds to call, but only need V to call a moderate bet to get the right implied odds. Call or fold about the same as played.

As played river, this is the bed you have made, sleep in it. Bet/f $140. If V as described raises, he's got AcJc type hand.

Turn I think flat is better. If you want to raise, have to make it bigger, but don't think we get a lot of folds here.

As played jam.

Even semi comatose V's recognize there's a flush on the board. Unless we lucked out and V has JJ exactly, I don't see him calling any hands we beat if we shove. OMC does not think in terms of PSB, he see's this guy is betting $240, lets ask the dealer to slide the board closer to I can't count the clubs.
I could be wrong, but the combination of saving $140 on the times V has AcJc plus the times we miss all value when V folds to a shove make a 1/2 PSB more +EV.

Pre's marginal, but ok. Flop's marginal, but ok this deep w/ a high SPR. Turn is an easy call. I think betting when you've picked up equity is much better when you're in position and firing a double barrel. We simply don't have enough fold equity here & expose ourselves to a shove. Notice how V's sizing increased dramatically from ~1/3 pot to 2/3 pot. He likes his hand & likely fears a bad river after seeing this turn. We should just flat. If a club comes we'll likely have to size small to get a crying call. If we hit our gutter, it's much more disguised and we'll likely get stacks in.... so as played, I'd likely go ~$100. V's likely good but vulnerable hand OTT hates that straightening flush card.

Seems like thread is wrapping up as played so I want to ask something else.

What would you guys do here if we flopped a set?

call flop, raise turn, check back river?

1) It is not perfectly fine even with position. Being in position doesn't give you license to play trash. Suited trash is still trash. Always remember that. The gutshot has 4 outs and the backdoor draw 1 out. You got 5 schizophrenic outs.
2) Drawing situations are never profitable heads-up. Never, because even if you make it you getting even money on something that in your case is 1:10 (GS+BD)
3) The overall situation you put yourself in is not a money maker by any stretch of imagination
4) You are the only one that could be on a BD. Any dude with two or two is also on a BD and if they have bigger cards, very likely they have vs. your 35, you got no showdown value when you all miss the goddamned joke of BD. Or God forbid .., the raiser has two bigger and you both get lucky and make the BD flush. ...Man, you'll really be in for a surprise.

1:10 of getting "out" alive for 1:1 pay off... ....,.., fuggetaboutit !.., man

If we flopped a set, I'd want to start building this pot up OTF. Even though J62 rainbow is pretty dry, we need to get all the chips in. It's much easier to get a raise called OTF than OTT.

Fold pre

Outdonked, many good players I know will see the flop with this hand being this deep. We have all sorts of implied odds multi-way & can sometimes just steal the pot. Yeah, the hand is sort of trashy, but it can be profitable if we're very cautious. Vs observant players, we can use a showdown with this hand to represent more connections with raggidy flops when we bluff in the future. In fact, we can sometimes 3bet this pre as well if we think we'll generate lots of folds. Even when if called, we probably have live cards and ways to make straights and flushes vs overpairs, something that PP can't do.

I recall you saying in an earlier thread that If you're operating under that paradigm, why wouldn't you play this hand multi-way as deep as we are?

makes sense. so when V bets 12 into ~30 does raising to ~40 make sense?

Yes, I agree with your statement above but still we probably need at least one big card value or something decent that has couple ways to outdraw. Yes we are deep, but in that case even 72o can call and see a flop. Let's see: We both have $400 effective and the bet is $6, me and you say have 72 now, we are getting 400/6 =66:1 odds on stack/bet ration. I come to you and ask whispering to your ear:

Me asking: "[I]Surfer, what goddamned play should we do? - You see all other dudes have $400 stacks too[/I]?" - Would you advice me with your whole honest open heart:
Your advice: " Outdonked ! .. wtf? are you even asking me this because this is a money making situation when we get 66:1 odds on calling .., Go ahead and put the goddamned money in .. man.., and don't you ever ask me again stupid questions !" - I oblige and call because we both play on a common bankroll. haha..haha ...., How you like that? - Am I good to make our little story? - OK, let's go even further ... around Vegas ...

Is that right? Are we both trow away our $6 hard cold cash instead we could use it Downtown Vegas on Fremont Street at the GoldenGate for the best ever shrimp cocktail in the World. - Are you familiar with that place? - Real great place full of hard core hustles and first class gamblers. For $1.99 we get huge cocktail of shrimps +hot sauce. I usually get two and take one home.

Now, are we playing ATC or we get together and go out Downtown?

I'm fine with pre, though I'd likely do this only if I had some handle on V's play to improve my post-flop lines.

Note that pre call is $5 not $6 (mandatory button $1).

I'm definitely calling the flop unless I read blind as aggro or he's looking like he's got raising in mind. We're getting 4:1; our GS outs are all to the nuts; we might well get a free card OTT; we have some backdoor equity.

It's true that our BD draw is worth about one out if we're all-in on the flop. The big difference is that the turn will either improve our BD draw to around 20% equity or reduce it to 0. So we can easily dump it if we whiff or can use it to play more aggressively if we pick up the additional equity. Also, we're a bit more likely to get paid on the BD draw when there's flop action.

I hate the sizing of the turn raise. Big enough to put more money in behind and give V the option to come over the top. Small enough that we have very little FE.

This isn't a particularly good bluffing card. It's not going to scare anything that bet the flop. If you insist on bluffing anyway, at least bluff an amount that might get some folds -- make it $150 to go.

But you're getting more than 2:1 on a call and have decent implied odds if you hit. The call is pretty clearly profitable. Bluffing is distinctly marginal. Just call.

If the turn had come something like Qc or Kc and V had checked or led weakly, I'd almost certainly pop it.

AP, we should bet the river an amount that will get called by V's presumed TP hand. I'd probably make it around $100 or $125.